[Suggestion] Remove the role restrictions on the YoRHa gear?

[Gemina]

*earns full caster set in the raid*

*realizes it can only be used while playing a caster job you don't really prefer playing*

*consequently never sees said caster set because you hardly ever play that job and the game's stupid glamour restrictions prevent you from using that gear elsewhere*

*realizes the glamour restrictions are utterly stupid since 90% of the gear in the game already has no job identity*

*asks for Squeenix to remove glamour restrictions*

There you go, I finished that thought train for you!

Opening up more options creates exponentially less homogenization.

You didn't finish anything for me. You just added on using my format, and I am going to be hard pressed to buy into "more options" arguments when you already lack originality of your own.

You don't want to play a job you don't care for in order to wear something? That's your prerogative. There are valid reasons to have restrictions in place, but I definitely would not expect anyone who sees them as stupid and comes here crying entitlement tears when new sets are released to acknowledge what those are. I also don't have the energy to explain it to a wall.

I'd be lying if I said there hasn't been one time that I wasn't disappointed by a restriction on gear. However, it has been far easier to move on and find something else than coming here complaining time and time again using futile arguments. The devs can and will place restrictions as they see fit. It will continue for as long as this game is around. Not everything in the game is going to make you happy. Focus on what does instead of what doesn't, and you might be around as long as the game is.

[Alucard135]

I'd be lying if I said there hasn't been one time that I wasn't disappointed by a restriction on gear. However, it has been far easier to move on and find something else than coming here complaining time and time again using futile arguments. The devs can and will place restrictions as they see fit.

Well, Yoshi P did say in an interview that people should ask in the forums if they wanted restriction on some sets to be removed. So it doesn't make any sense that people shouldn't ask.

https://www.aetherflowmedia.com/issues/winter-2018/ pp.226

Out of curiosity, what are the valid reasons for restrictions that are you're referring to?

[Aragogo]

You didn't finish anything for me. You just added on using my format, and I am going to be hard pressed to buy into "more options" arguments when you already lack originality of your own.

You don't want to play a job you don't care for in order to wear something? That's your prerogative. There are valid reasons to have restrictions in place, but I definitely would not expect anyone who sees them as stupid and comes here crying entitlement tears when new sets are released to acknowledge what those are. I also don't have the energy to explain it to a wall.

I'd be lying if I said there hasn't been one time that I wasn't disappointed by a restriction on gear. However, it has been far easier to move on and find something else than coming here complaining time and time again using futile arguments. The devs can and will place restrictions as they see fit. It will continue for as long as this game is around. Not everything in the game is going to make you happy. Focus on what does instead of what doesn't, and you might be around as long as the game is.

I don't consider the restrictions stupid - they have their place. But I'm simply wondering if the YoRHa gear is that place, given that most of the pieces actually look the same/similar at a glance, which then removes the purpose of job specific gear in a way?

Don't get me wrong, I want more uniquely designed job-specific gear, but I'd also like to see the puffy-shouldered YoRHa dress on my DNC and the NIN bodice on my GNB. Is it so wrong to try?

I think if class restrictions were removed we would actually get less variation from future sets, by SE; they would be more uniform than they already are. If everyone could use the same gear then what is the point of making so many variations for each set, and ironically I wish they would give us more restricted variation when it comes to restrictions for roles like dancer, or red mage. My thoughts come from a design perspective, and the low bar I have already set for SE since Shadowbringers. That is not to mention the other potential issues I covered in my previous post.

Mind you, I'm not advocating for total class restriction removal on all the gear. Only the Nier raid pieces, since they basically look the same already. Make each cost like...20 of some currency, which'll prompt players to re-run the raids multiple times to earn them all.

[CazzT]

I keep seeing people saying that unlocking everything for glams would create more diversity in looks, yet in this very thread we evidence to the contrary. First two pages alone you have two pieces of gear that several people want to be able to use on other roles. Doesn't sound very diverse with so many people wanting those specific pieces.

Limitations are often a good thing. When you have access to too much, it becomes boring.

Mind you, I'm not advocating for total class restriction removal on all the gear. Only the Nier raid pieces, since they basically look the same already. Make each cost like...20 of some currency, which'll prompt players to re-run the raids multiple times to earn them all.

If they all look the same already, then why remove the role restrictions? Kinda shot your own argument in the foot on that one.

[PyurBlue]

I keep seeing people saying that unlocking everything for glams would create more diversity in looks, yet in this very thread we evidence to the contrary. First two pages alone you have two pieces of gear that several people want to be able to use on other roles. Doesn't sound very diverse with so many people wanting those specific pieces.

This thread is about specific pieces though. Some posts do mention the desire to combine locked gear with what is currently mutually exclusive gear, ie gear combinations that can't exist currently. That's additional diversity.

Limitations are often a good thing. When you have access to too much, it becomes boring.

That doesn't seem to apply to glam though. Without limits you can be more unique as there is less chance of someone wearing the same outfit as you. You have more opportunity to express your style because you more options to experiment with. It should definitely take longer to get bored as going through the expanded list of available outfits will absolutely take longer without having the vast majority locked away. Everyone can and should have their own opinions, but the less is more argument is something I find really hard to understand.

[Gemina]

Well, Yoshi P did say in an interview that people should ask in the forums if they wanted restriction on some sets to be removed. So it doesn't make any sense that people shouldn't ask.

https://www.aetherflowmedia.com/issues/winter-2018/ pp.226

Out of curiosity, what are the valid reasons for restrictions that are you're referring to?

Asking for restrictions to be lifted and complaining about the ones that are in place are two entirely different things. And Yoshi's comments pertained to releasing sets of gear for classes that currently have restrictions. I should not have to mention that once they are in place, they are troublesome to remove. It is much easier to release sets of gear that mimic them and made available for other jobs and roles, which they have done. This does not prohibit them in any way for releasing new sets of gear that are entirely new to the game and place restrictions on them, which we all should be used to by now.

Restrictions, despite contrary belief, don't hinder options and diversity in the game. I should ask if all the roles in the game are wearing a set intended for casters/tanks/healers, how is this not homogenization? Sure, if restrictions are not in place it gives the player more options to glamour, but this does not necessarily mean it is going to eliminate homogenization among the playerbase. This is done through diversity, and sometimes the devs have to force it, especially with new sets of gear that will undoubtedly be trendy and a novelty upon their implementation.

Restrictions by nature are preventative, so they are in place to keep player acquisition in check. They also exist to provide incentive. Weekly loot lockouts and capped tomes are examples of said restrictions, and prevent players from getting BiS in a matter of days or even hours. As a result the content stays relevant until better gear is released, which gives new players the same opportunity to clear the content as those before them.

In the case of glamour, the restrictions provide incentive to play those roles and the jobs within them. Not wanting to play a certain job in order to obtain it is a moot argument made by the other poster because SE still needs those roles and jobs queueing into the content so they at least attempt to get a balance among all the jobs they've released into the game.

Lastly, it is simply ok for some things to be restricted. Certainly more ok than it would be for restrictions to be eliminated entirely, which hopefully I enlightened to how it can be harmful to the game. You don't give an inch to the "I want my cake and eat it too" peeps, as they will take a mile. Restrictions doesn't have to be demonized like they are here.

[rachcouture]

You don't want to play a job you don't care for in order to wear something? That's your prerogative. There are valid reasons to have restrictions in place, but I definitely would not expect anyone who sees them as stupid and comes here crying entitlement tears when new sets are released to acknowledge what those are. I also don't have the energy to explain it to a wall.

Asking for a QoL feature that existed in FFXI—FFXIV's predecessor—isn't entitlement.

If there's legitimate reasons, then please, list them. So far I haven't seen any whatsoever.

I keep seeing people saying that unlocking everything for glams would create more diversity in looks, yet in this very thread we evidence to the contrary. First two pages alone you have two pieces of gear that several people want to be able to use on other roles. Doesn't sound very diverse with so many people wanting those specific pieces.

Limitations are often a good thing. When you have access to too much, it becomes boring.

Do you not realize how ridiculous it sounds to say that limitations aren't boring? They are the epitome of it.

It's a thread about a specific set of gear, and it's pretty well known that casters and ranged DPS classes always get the absolute best glams. Of course the caster and aiming sets are going to get mentioned. What did you expect?

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Personally, I would be glad for the restrictions to be removed for all clothing.

[SturmChurro]

It's a thread about a specific set of gear, and it's pretty well known that casters and ranged DPS classes always get the absolute best glams. Of course the caster and aiming sets are going to get mentioned. What did you expect?

Uhh... I don't know about that.. I mean maybe in your opinion that's the case. I play red mage and healer and don't wear any sets made for the class. I only wear glamour I have made for it, or some summer set or something.. Actually the same thing with my ranged physical classes. The class sets for the most part are made with bard in mind, so dancer and machinist usually don't actually match the class restricted sets. You are stretching here.

[CazzT]

Do you not realize how ridiculous it sounds to say that limitations aren't boring? They are the epitome of it.

Except it's not. Limitations force you to be creative with how you achieve things. In what universe is that boring?

It's a thread about a specific set of gear, and it's pretty well known that casters and ranged DPS classes always get the absolute best glams. Of course the caster and aiming sets are going to get mentioned. What did you expect?

Except it's not and hasn't been since the first page.