Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[ChaoticCrimson]

How DARE you point out that one number is bigger than another number!

"If I wanted to know what a skill does or how strong it is, I wouldn't be ignoring the tooltips!"

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

BLM is le Bad

I pretty much cringe when I see things like this, but BLM/THM is one of the highest learning curve jobs where you're either proficient or really really bad (with a very small percentage being really really good).

With that said, I was leveling DNC with my alt and got Gubal. The 59 version (which was good because I was still lvl 60 so good exp at least). The healer was new, and the tank and other dps hadn't run it in so long they forgot boss mechs. So after 2 wipes to Demon Tome I decided to be the one to explain mechs (we wipe a third time but limp thru on the 4th). Problem is, the tank is pretty much instapulling even though he knows the healer is new, but thankfully we get thru the other 2 bosses (because I pretty much camped right inside the boss room til I said my piece). But seriously, if we wipe 3 times to any boss, why would you think blowing through the rest was a good idea? Ug.

[Crushnight]

I have lost count of the amount of times that i have been personally attacked by a healer for using Clemency as a Paladin.
This includes times when i used it to top up a healer that got smacked by a boss mechanic, but had to heal someone else instead or had to brace for a tank buster.

The most common complaint i get is that "i do not trust my healers" or that "I should stick to my job" and had healers quit the dungeon over it.
It has nothing to do with trust or me thinking myself above my healers.

I simply use it as an extra mitigation tool in scenarios such as the last big pull before a boss, where i want to conserve my CD´s.
A single instant clemency between sheltrons is quite useful and does not represent a massive DPS loss.

I also prefer to top myself during mechanic heavy/position heavy bosses where i cannot reach the boss for periods of time but my healer could.
That way the healer can continue to dps, if they so wish, without having to worry if i accidentally get hit.

But apparently i am being unreasonable, because i lost someone 7 seconds in a 5 man run.

P.S: I am talking mostly of story/daily/5 man/lfr
I do not do extremes or other high-endgame content.

Thing is i have also been attacked by plds when i tell them "Do not worry, i have you, feel free to use your aoes instead of Clemancy, you deal more damage than me (especially on AST)" nothing else yet get told that i cannot do my role and go back to healing school, my responses are silent vote kicks, when it comes to big pulls you as a pld are far better than 2/3 healers in aoe and whm really only beats because holy stun spam is op.

Healers have cds too that they need to manage, something like Clemency when unplanned can make healer skills redundant(Excog never getting proc'd/ no point to Horoscope/a reason to use afflatus skills for actual healing), overall it can very easily be a net loss to the party when unplanned (even a very minor loss is still a loss), i mean how would you like stuff like rampart or sentinel being completely useless due to a random person doing something as you pop it invalidating it (eg OT provokes as TB hits and proceeds to tank boss for duration), Clemency should absolutely be last resort if you have a bad healer especially in ShB content.

[Jaelommiss]

Bad PLD things

Outside of the most extreme of crises (healer is dead, healer is OOM, party taking avoidable damage so incoming damage exceed's healer's capacity) Clemency is worthless.


The most basic task for healers is to manage their CDs in order to keep the party alive.

If you trust the healer, then you trust that the party will be kept alive. If the party will be kept alive, using Clemency is 100% wasted. Using Clemency costs outgoing damage, which is effectively equivalent to time. To use Clemency if you trust the healer is to knowingly and deliberately waste the time of three or seven other people for no purpose.

If you believe that Clemency is worthwhile, then you believe that party members would die without using it (or you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of HP in the game, but I will assume that is not the case). If you believe that party members would die without your intervention, you believe that the healer is incapable of performing their most basic task.

Thus, we have two possible cases for using Clemency outside of crises: 1) you wish to waste other peoples' time for no reason, and 2) you believe the healer is so incompetent that they cannot perform their most basic of responsibilities. It is understandable that people would react negatively in both possible situations.

[Callinon]

Thus, we have two possible cases for using Clemency outside of crises: 1) you wish to waste other peoples' time for no reason, and 2) you believe the healer is so incompetent that they cannot perform their most basic of responsibilities. It is understandable that people would react negatively in both possible situations.

Or we have door #3: A GCD from the healer is worth more damage than a GCD from the tank. If I can sustain myself with Clemency alone, the healer can focus on DPS, and the mob pack dies faster because they do a whole hell of a lot more damage than I do in a single GCD.

There's also another point: I straight up do NOT trust the healer. If my HP is at 40% or 30% or 20% and showing no signs of increasing, then you're damn skippy I'm going to use Clemency. Because if I die in that scenario it's my fault.

[Mixt]

And yet if you don't use it and then die you get yelled at for that instead.

[Jaelommiss]

Or we have door #3: A GCD from the healer is worth more damage than a GCD from the tank. If I can sustain myself with Clemency alone, the healer can focus on DPS, and the mob pack dies faster because they do a whole hell of a lot more damage than I do in a single GCD.

There's not a single ability in any situation across any of the healers that deals more damage in a GCD than Requiescat + Holy Spirit or Holy Circle apart from Afflatus Misery (which can be held for a few seconds without penalty).

There's also another point: I straight up do NOT trust the healer. If my HP is at 40% or 30% or 20% and showing no signs of increasing, then you're damn skippy I'm going to use Clemency. Because if I die in that scenario it's my fault.

That's perfectly fair. It's equally fair for a healer who had the situation under control (waiting for lower HP to use Benediction or Essential Dignity, waiting the last couple seconds for a CD to come back) to react poorly to your implication that they can't do their job properly.

[Callinon]

And yet if you don't use it and then die you get yelled at for that instead.

Yes. Because you had a tool that could've kept you alive and consciously chose not to use it. The healer can get over it.

[Callinon]

There's not a single ability in any situation across any of the healers that deals more damage in a GCD than Requiescat + Holy Spirit or Holy Circle.

Ah but now we're moving the goalposts to include cooldowns. Requiescat is on a 60 second cooldown. It's probably up once every trash pack. Holy spam is nice and reliable.. good for all occasions.

Also this is getting nitpicky. You're not ever in an optimal party situation in a 4 man DF group. You're not communicating over voice chat to coordinate cooldowns. You're certainly not typing that information during battle (or this becomes a different conversation). These are people you don't know, have never met before, and will never meet again. This isn't a place for min/maxing. Do the dungeon. Don't wipe. 20 minutes later you all go home.

[Averax]

I loathe ranged dps who stand out in Narnia while in a damage intensive fight. Like if you aren't going to make the effort to stand in range of my aoe heals, i'm not going to make the effort to keep you alive. We were in the Copied Factory, and This MCH consistently stood as far away from the healers as possible. I tried to yank him in several times and he just bee lined his way back to his corner so he could edgelord it up. I told him "Stand in range of my heals" and he retorted with "I'll stand where i wanna stand". So i brought out the old "Then perish" line and made a point to never directly heal him, he would only be healed by my AoE abilities.

A couple deaths later, he started standing in range.

It's always the people with some variation of "wolf" in their name, or something equally edgelordy. News flash kids, the lone wolf starves and dies but the pack survives. I don't care what your RP persona is, we're trying to clear some content.