How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[BarretOblivion]

Combined Tank damage is higher than combined healer damage by a significant margin in this screenshot.

You should be happy.

That was because the SCH was behind while the WHM was ridding the tanks arses. Meanwhile hey look, the top tank is almost 6k behind the lowest DPS...
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Why did the conversation shift to healers shouldn't be dealing damage? The argument was using helaers as a measuring stick to say "hey look! Tanks have fallen so far that healers are riding our arses in DPS"

[Shurrikhan]

That was because the SCH was behind while the WHM was ridding the tanks arses.

Yes. And?

So the non-DPS job nearing 100% offensive uptime is nearing another non-DPS job with 100% offensive uptime (on top of massive passive mitigation)? Who'd have thunk it?

[BarretOblivion]

Yes. And?

So the non-DPS job nearing 100% offensive uptime is nearing another non-DPS job with 100% offensive uptime (on top of massive passive mitigation)? Who'd have thunk it?

Jesus... whoooosh you miss the bloody point right over your head.
The fact that another healer who also isn't likely doing 100% uptime is doing almost as much as another entire role that has 100% uptime doesn't show how laughably behind tanks are? We are using the darn healers as a stick to say "hey Tanks have falled too far behind the lowest DPS already because even healers are riding our butts on damage!"
What part of that arguement says "hey healers are doing too much???"

[Kabooa]

That was because the SCH was behind while the WHM was ridding the tanks arses. Meanwhile hey look, the top tank is almost 6k behind the lowest DPS...
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Why did the conversation shift to healers shouldn't be dealing damage? The argument was using helaers as a measuring stick to say "hey look! Tanks have fallen so far that healers are riding our arses in DPS"

Because the OP constantly says healers shouldn't be dealing as much damage as tanks, despite completely ignoring how much harder they have to work for it.

And while we normally say effort and damage shouldn't be related beyond direct comparison within the job and role, the other argument is "We have X damage skills and they only have two", trying to say rotational difficulty should be what determines how much damage a job or role does.

So if difficulty should determine how much damage they should do, well, healers should win out in spades when compared to tanks. Sorry.

[Risvertasashi]

That was because the SCH was behind while the WHM was ridding the tanks arses. Meanwhile hey look, the top tank is almost 6k behind the lowest DPS...
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Why did the conversation shift to healers shouldn't be dealing damage? The argument was using helaers as a measuring stick to say "hey look! Tanks have fallen so far that healers are riding our arses in DPS"

A number of people took umbrage to that very fact, and thus the conversation shifted to more or less 'How dare SE let healers do similar damage.'

If you want to instead change the discussion to allowing non-DPS roles to do closer-to-DPS damage, well, personally I think that'd be a welcome shift. I don't exactly enjoy people petitioning to have classes I like to play nerfed just so they can feel better about themselves.

[Nedkel]

Because the OP constantly says healers shouldn't be dealing as much damage as tanks, despite completely ignoring how much harder they have to work for it.

No they dont work harder, they are at the bottom in CPM on average and also by the amount of skills they use as well.

[Rhais]

A number of people took umbrage to that very fact, and thus the conversation shifted to more or less 'How dare SE let healers do similar damage.'

If you want to instead change the discussion to allowing non-DPS roles to do closer-to-DPS damage, well, personally I think that'd be a welcome shift. I don't exactly enjoy people petitioning to have classes I like to play nerfed just so they can feel better about themselves.

I don't believe I saw anyone petitioning, or even suggesting that healers damage potential be nerfed. I could be wrong as I only skimmed through the last few pages but all I have seen is people that would like to see tank damage increased, there were comparisons to healer damage not requests for nerfs.

[Kabooa]

I don't believe I saw anyone petitioning, or even suggesting that healers damage potential be nerfed. I could be wrong as I only skimmed through the last few pages but all I have seen is people that would like to see tank damage increased, there were comparisons to healer damage not requests for nerfs.

Every single buff is a nerf somewhere.

It's just framed differently.

The great irony of tanks asking for "more damage contribution" and disguising it is as such is that it inherently takes it away from the other two roles.

[Rhais]

Every single buff is a nerf somewhere.

It's just framed differently.

The great irony of tanks asking for "more damage contribution" and disguising it is as such is that it inherently takes it away from the other two roles.

The whole contention of the thread is that tanks are currently doing too little, that they have been nerfed, that they have had their contribution diminished already.

[Kabooa]

The whole contention of the thread is that tanks are currently doing to little, that they have been nerfed, that they have had their contribution diminished already.

Which was based on using PDPS logs from Stormblood and RDPS logs from now. The comparison was inherently flawed.