Ishgardian Restoration world visit.

[Mirhd]

To be honest, if you weren't able to get into the instance of your own world, then you're mostly not contributing to your world yourself lol. So you're no different than a wanderer profiting from the work of others.

Reading shout chat in my server's firmament before the FATE starts, and it's (again) composed of people from off-world bragging about getting in, how they didn't contribute and are here solely for the FATE, etc. Things are dire NOW, Yoshi P. I do appreciate the work that goes into maintaining a game like this, but it really is ridiculous that this happened to begin with, and that - somehow - it currently isn't seen as a problem. It's been proven time and time again, that if something can be exploited, many less conscientious people will take advantage of it. Those of us that don't engage in this server hopping garbage shouldn't be forced to wait for those that do to profit off our work before we can even gain access to our own server's firmament.

Not wanting to miss out again, I've been sitting in the firmament for well over an hour and a half, crafting food items when I ran out of restoration mats. I would have gone out to farm more if area congestion due to the huge influx of wanderers wasn't an issue. And to those that try to excuse this behavior... I'd rather stay in here and deny a server hopper a spot for something they never contributed to. Absolutely absurd, this whole situation.

A previous post I made in this thread. I actually have been doing turn ins, and given your responses in this thread, I'm seriously doubtful you have.

I suggest you stop getting so defensive and actually argue with what I'm arguing, not with ad hominems and strawmen.

Or you can not. No use going back and forth if you're just going to keep bringing up things I'm not debating.

You're really stretching it with your claims, here. I addressed what you brought up, which was brought up by others also against this change (multiple times, I addressed this...) but you chose to ignore it, for whatever reason. Again, instances on their own would solve nothing. Those who weren't contributing would continue on that path, hopping from FATE to FATE, profting off the work of others, offering nothing in return. For the last time, high pop servers that experience congestion can have instances implemented, but again, why they didn't do that from the get-go is anyone's guess.

Bottom line - SE has the hard data to back up the exploitation of the system, and they acted as they saw fit.

[MomomiMomi]

You're really stretching it with your claims, here. I addressed what you brought up, which was brought up by others also against this change (multiple times, I addressed this...) but you chose to ignore it, for whatever reason. Again, instances on their own would solve nothing. Those who weren't contributing would continue on that path, hopping from FATE to FATE, profting off the work of others, offering nothing in return. For the last time, high pop servers that experience congestion can have instances implemented, but again, why they didn't do that from the get-go is anyone's guess.

Everyone would still be able to participate. That's the only problem that had to be solved. You seem to be upset that people weren't contributing, but they aren't contributing now, either.

The only thing that had to be solved is that people should be able to participate. That isn't solved on large servers with this change. Therefore, this isn't the best solution.

[Alucard135]

A previous post I made in this thread. I actually have been doing turn ins, and given your responses in this thread, I'm seriously doubtful you have.

Sounds more of a bad planning on your part. I never ran into the issue you mentioned in your post, simply because I have everything prepared an hour in advance. I would spend time gathering all the mats I needed, then spend the hr before the FATE starts in crafting. I would even have a lot left over for when I jump to another server that is about to start in an hour after mine ends. Which is why I easily leveled my ALC, got tons of scrips and EXP. Is this an exploitation of the system now?

[Mirhd]

Sounds more of a bad planning on your part. I never ran into the issue you mentioned in your post, simply because I have everything prepared an hour in advance. I would spend time gathering all the mats I needed, then spend the hr before the FATE starts in crafting. I would even have a lot left over for when I jump to another server that is about to start in an hour after mine ends. Which is why I easily leveled my ALC, got tons of scrips and EXP. Is this an exploitation of the system now?

600+ of each material needed for stoves is not "bad planning". I had each crafting/gathering class leveled well before things were simplified, and I gather my own materials for crafting (also, considering crystals needed), as I don't like relying on the market board to get anything done. This also means I run out of things eventually and have to leave, which is why, in that post I quoted, I ran out of mats eventually and just made food instead. The firmament kept filling up 1:30-2:00 hours before because of the wanders and I knew this, which is why I and others stuck around so as not to lose a spot.

As for your own supposed crafting, you know very well of what I refer to when I mention exploiting the system (server hopping to grab other servers fates without contributing), so don't even start. Are you seriously going to claim to have crafted a ton of items for each server you jumped to? Really now? Your attempt at a "gotcha" moment or what have you falls flat given your own post history. I have every reason to be skeptical of what you were doing before the change. I could, of course, be wrong, but that's highly unlikely at this point.

[Alucard135]

The firmament kept filling up 1:30-2:00 hours before because of the wanders and I knew this, which is why I and others stuck around so as not to lose a spot.

Because you have not actually been in the situation many times where you had to leave to gather mats like I have done when on other worlds, so you don't know what's the good time to start crafting in the instance. One hour before the FATE is when you should start crafting and not leave the instance. Not 1:30 to 2 hours. I have been to Midgardsormr and other worlds an hour before the FATE is up many times and easily got in. If you have been active on other worlds, you would have known this and not ended up getting locked in your own instance not able to leave to get the mats you needed for a good 30min to an hour.

Are you seriously going to claim to have crafted a ton of items for each server you jumped to? Really now? Your attempt at a "gotcha" moment or what have you falls flat given your own post history. I have every reason to be skeptical of what you were doing before the change. I could, of course, be wrong, but that's highly unlikely at this point.

I'm only there for an hour. How many items do you expect someone to craft in that time? Yes, I have crafted for other worlds. Else I wouldn't have another crafter leveled up easily if I wasted all these hours doing nothing.

[Mirhd]

Because you have not actually been in the situation many times where you had to leave to gather mats like I have done when on other worlds, so you don't know what's the good time to start crafting in the instance. One hour before the FATE is when you should start crafting and not leave the instance. Not 1:30 to 2 hours. I have been to Midgardsormr and other worlds an hour before the FATE is up many times and easily got in. If you have been active on other worlds, you would have known this and not ended up getting locked in your own instance not able to leave to get the mats you needed for a good 30min to an hour.

I'm only there for an hour. How many items do you expect someone to craft in that time? Yes, I have crafted for other worlds. Else I wouldn't have another crafter leveled up easily if I wasted all these hours doing nothing.

Yeah, calling nonsense on this one. I actually did/do go back and forth to my servers' firmament, gathering and crafting, but for some reason you took that as entering once. If you actually gather and craft as much as you claim, you'd realise that having to gather again is inevitable. I didn't server hop, thanks, because I didn't think it was right to take up a slot for a server native.

You haven't been to my server "many times", or else you'd have seen how crowded it got, and it was even worse the closer it got to the fate popping. Now? Now, we won't have to deal with that nonsense, and for that I'm grateful. I'd appreciate it if you stopped claiming you "helped servers" when your posts clearly show otherwise. You went from encouraging people to server hop, to stating you were "helping"? Sure, seems perfectly believable.

[Alucard135]

Yeah, calling nonsense on this one. I actually did/do go back and forth to my servers' firmament, gathering and crafting, but for some reason you took that as entering once. If you actually gather and craft as much as you claim, you'd realise that having to gather again is inevitable. I didn't server hop, thanks, because I didn't think it was right to take up a slot for a server native.

You haven't been to my server "many times", or else you'd have seen how crowded it got, and it was even worse the closer it got to the fate popping. Now? Now, we won't have to deal with that nonsense, and for that I'm grateful. I'd appreciate it if you stopped claiming you "helped servers" when your posts clearly show otherwise. You went from encouraging people to server hop, to stating you were "helping"? Sure, seems perfectly believable.

Yes I have been to your server and many others and seen how crowded it gets. Your server is not a special case. Anyone who server hopped can verify if my next claim is true or false. One hour before the FATE was a good time to go into the firmament with a high chance of it not being congested. Before then, have all your mats prepared so you can craft while you're inside. The FATEs don't pop up every hour or so to the point you don't have time to restock before the other server FATE is up. If you didn't have time to restock between the many hours for each FATE, then that's a "you" issue.

In my case, I have many sample point to draw a conclusion from. But in yours, you're only sticking to one server, which means you didn't do the FATE as much as we did to know exactly what are the optimal times to go in.

[Dalex]

The heart of the matter is you shouldn't HAVE to camp out in the zone an hour out, and even so, if a world's Firmament is clearly overcrowded, the gracious thing for Wanderers to do would be to bow out and let the natives fill up the slots. There are no shortage of crafters and gatherers on many of these worlds, and I don't recall Midgardsormr collectively sending out invites for other worlds to come help us out, so even under the guise of "helping", that argument falls flat. Besides, hopping worlds just to experience content is a meta that shouldn't be expected of the average player.

But it's all a moot point, now, so oh well.

[Sesera]

Are you seriously going to claim to have crafted a ton of items for each server you jumped to? Really now? Your attempt at a "gotcha" moment or what have you falls flat given your own post history. I have every reason to be skeptical of what you were doing before the change. I could, of course, be wrong, but that's highly unlikely at this point.

There is no point in just standing on another world not trying to get the fate to spawn. The leechers/stealers like you called them were the people trying to join during the 2h window before the fate and most of them were locked out anyway.
Of course some of them were able to get in and get the fate done over natives but the majority of them were people helping and who stayed 2 long hours waiting for the fate.