No More Big Pulls in Dungeons

[TheForce]

Okay please calm down everybody, especially you.
What has gotten into you with this post?

I'll admit that I did show slight toxicity in my past responses, I had good intentions but just came across the wrong way. I'll apologize for that. But I gotta be real with you man, by saying "especially you", you're inferring that I'm the main one showing toxicity in this thread, and that couldn't be further from the truth. My main mission here is to just defend people from verbal abuse, especially verbal abuse they don't deserve.

People are allowed to disagree with the pull style, but leave it at that. They must not start disrespecting the Tank because of it. There are people in this thread who are seriously (and proudly) putting down Tanks who pull small and speaking so nastily about them when the Tank didn't even do or say anything to them. I read a response from a guy who said Tanks who do this shouldn't even queue up. Really? Just because they pull small they're not allowed to play the game? Like, come on man. That's just messed up, stuff like that is not okay, and yes I do hold onto the belief that stuff like that does come across as elitist. So to restate my main point, you can feel how you wanna feel about it, but don't start disrespecting people over it (something we all need to work on in this thread).

[KarmaLad]

What an absolute beaut this thread turned out to be.

[Ferwyn]

It takes a low amount of skill and a modicum amount of gear to flawlessly do big pulls, so when a tank doesn't do it, they clearly are either trolling or really, really bad. Don't troll and pull big, always.

This is my first toon and I am only level 50ish paladin. I give a warning that I am new, so I don’t mass pull. When should one even start mass pulling? Is it an end game thing or can you do it while levelling? I wouldn’t say I am bad, more inexperienced.

[Aurida]

I wouldn’t say I am bad, more inexperienced.

It's tougher in leveling dungeons but very easy in level-cap dungeons when your gear is good enough to be subject to item level sync. The basic idea is the same as single pulls- establish aggro, then start rotating cooldowns. Aim to always have one up, and don't forget about Hallowed Ground, though you needn't treat it as strictly for emergencies either.

As for being inexperienced there's not really a better way to do it than to just go for it! Pull two packs of mobs together, try to always have a cooldown rolling as best you're able, and then use AoE attacks to keep aggro & deal damage. All there is to it

[Callinon]

You're basically saying that forum posters are unreliable witnesses at best and liars at worst.

Well no. If I'd wanted to say that I'd have said it.

What I'm saying is that the existence or popularity of any particular thread on the forums should not be construed as a tendency of the playerbase overall. It should be read as a reflection of the people posting in the thread.

[Aramyth]

WHM main here.

I did not play much in Stormblood and used Trusts for all of the MSQ in Shadowbringers but have done roulettes, etc since.

When the tank does big pulls I can definitely feel they are taking more damage than they did in ARR or HW. It definitely has taken time for me to adjust.

The most difficult thing is getting used to each individual tank though. They all seem to have a different idea of when to use their cool downs.

[Jimmymagic]

What an absolute beaut this thread turned out to be.

MORE POPCORN PLZ!!

[Eli85]

Dat bait tho.

No bait, just the truth. If you really, truly cannot wall-to-wall pull, then you should re-think your given role. It's really not hard to cycle cooldowns and stay alive. Of course, if your healer is a turd, things become more complicated, but a healer can keep a tank alive in this scenario by simply spamming a single heal.

Game's not that hard, folks.

[Gyson]

I'm sure this has been brought up by now, but just take a few seconds to ask the healer if they prefer larger or normal pulls. You can easily get the question out and a response back before everyone reaches the first set of mobs. If they prefer larger pulls, great. If they prefer normal pulls, great. With the same group we're usually talking about a difference of less than five minutes between the two types of runs.

Adapting to your group helps. Sometimes between the composition and the players involved the damage output is less than stellar and larger pulls drag on longer than they normally would. If the extended time is putting strain on the healer and preventing them from dealing damage and actually doing more harm than benefit to the pace, pull less mobs until you find the sweet spot for the party.

You can actually save a good bit of time by keeping in mind which pulls are not melee friendly. If you have melee DPS and they're constantly running around to avoid enormous PBAOE telegraph circles instead of dealing damage, wall-to-wall pulls can actually work against you. This was an issue with the tail end of The Burn unless the group was packing decent ranged damage.

Just be smart during the run. It's not a big deal.

[Reinha]

This is my first toon and I am only level 50ish paladin. I give a warning that I am new, so I don’t mass pull. When should one even start mass pulling? Is it an end game thing or can you do it while levelling? I wouldn’t say I am bad, more inexperienced.

Level 50, 60, 70 and 80 dungeons. You can stop running if you haven't encountered a wall or barrier after 3 packs of enemies and adjust from there once you know the dungeon better. Leveling dungeons can easily be done as 2 packs per pull. Rotate defensive cooldowns one by one and not all at once.

If a healer tells you to do single pulls, they are the exception. I have not encountered a healer like that in at least the past two years.