5.0 Dark knight request: Delirium rework

[Nedkel]

The Blackest Night gets too much praise for what it does on paper, but in practice, it's way less fun to even try and get the shield to break because of it being DPS neutral on break and DPS loss on falloff, and making it be a DPS gain on break and DPS neutral on falloff.

This is pretty shallow point of view.
TBN is the dps gain even without breaking if it absorbes enough damage to let healers only use oGCD to heal you.
Ask anyone who play healer, drk is the easiest tank to heal when played by competitive player. Maybe its not suitable for raid auto attacks, but for unavoidable damage, tank busters you wont find a better skill.

[DRKoftheAzure]

This is pretty shallow point of view.
TBN is the dps gain even without breaking if it absorbes enough damage to let healers only use oGCD to heal you.
Ask anyone who play healer, drk is the easiest tank to heal when played by competitive player. Maybe its not suitable for raid auto attacks, but for unavoidable damage, tank busters you wont find a better skill.

Healers are doing too much damage then, nerf healers....

And I would rather spend the 3k MP on Edge of Darkness/Shadow, and not use defensive cooldowns to spite the green DPS for not healing.


Meme aside, unavoidable damage and tankbusters are too infrequent to even use The Blackest Night as intended, and as I said before, so long as enrage timers and mechanics that can be skipped because people are pushing DPS exist, tanks will want more DPS on them because the healers are out DPSing the tanks....

[Jandor]

Delirium as a "save skill" button. When five GCDs are saved the button changes to Living Shadow.

When activated the Living Shadow will burst out and use the saved skills in order. Skills don't cost you resources, but will gain them for you if the skill it uses would. i.e if you saved a soul eater, when the shadow uses it you'll gain blood and HP.

That seems like it could be fun to me, would give you some stuff to think about, and it isn't copied from another job.

Ability costs, amount of GCDs required, potencies, etc. might need adjusting. This is just a basic frame of an idea

[DRKoftheAzure]

Delirium as a "save skill" button. When five GCDs are saved the button changes to Living Shadow.

When activated the Living Shadow will burst out and use the saved skills in order. Skills don't cost you resources, but will gain them for you if the skill it uses would. i.e if you saved a soul eater, when the shadow uses it you'll gain blood and HP.

That seems like it could be fun to me, would give you some stuff to think about, and it isn't copied from another job.

Ability costs, amount of GCDs required, potencies, etc. might need adjusting. This is just a basic frame of an idea

I actually read that as a "fix WAR resoponse in a fix DRK thread" because playstyle wise DRK and WAR are too similar, and mitigation wise, DRK only has The Blackest Night whereas WAR has Nascent Flash which should be on DRK but isn't....

[Jandor]

I actually read that as a "fix WAR resoponse in a fix DRK thread" because playstyle wise DRK and WAR are too similar, and mitigation wise, DRK only has The Blackest Night whereas WAR has Nascent Flash which should be on DRK but isn't....

I'm not sure I understand, you've seen a similar idea before but for WAR?

[DRKoftheAzure]

I'm not sure I understand, you've seen a similar idea before but for WAR?

Just look get hands on experience with a WAR that's level 70 or higher and you will learn that WAR has the exact same DPS playstyle as DRK, and WAR has Shake It Off which is an AoE The Blackest Night but not a DPS loss AND a better Divine Veil combined...


Also there are people who hate Inner Release because of how it's WARs main playstyle now...


It's almost like people hate having 1 combo path for single target and AoE, and 1 button to spam during a 10 second window for either AoE or single target...


Then you have the people claiming DRK is the easiest tank to heal, (oh hai Living Dead I didn't know you killed me but I guess either the WHM used Benediction either too early or too late), but that can only apply if you are in a static and not pugging or going through Duty Finder and DRK is only using The Blackest Night over other cooldowns...

[Jandor]

Just look get hands on experience with a WAR that's level 70 or higher and you will learn that WAR has the exact same DPS play-style as DRK, and WAR has Shake It Off which is an AoE The Blackest Night but not a DPS loss AND a better Divine Veil combined...

All my tanks are at least level 70, I'm just not sure how this relates. I just had an idea for a delirium rework and posted it because I thought it was neat.

[Shurrikhan]

Delirium as a "save skill" button. When five GCDs are saved the button changes to Living Shadow.

When activated the Living Shadow will burst out and use the saved skills in order. Skills don't cost you resources, but will gain them for you if the skill it uses would. i.e if you saved a soul eater, when the shadow uses it you'll gain blood and HP.

That seems like it could be fun to me, would give you some stuff to think about, and it isn't copied from another job.

Ability costs, amount of GCDs required, potencies, etc. might need adjusting. This is just a basic frame of an idea

So we... load skills into a future oGCD whereby a shadowy doppleganger then performs those skills? Interesting, to say the least, but... what then happens to the actual level 70 skill, as you'd have merely nerfed access to the level 80 one while giving nothing for the missing level 70 skill formerly known as Delirium?

[Jandor]

So we... load skills into a future oGCD whereby a shadowy doppleganger then performs those skills? Interesting, to say the least, but... what then happens to the actual level 70 skill, as you'd have merely nerfed access to the level 80 one while giving nothing for the missing level 70 skill formerly known as Delirium?

I'm thinking, maybe, replace with a continuation like oGCD that works with blood-based skills?

Would be nice enough for DRK on the 68-80 road, but comes into its own when you get the shadow, as additional effects from skills the shadow uses still trigger for the player that would mean you can 'drk continuation' from your doppelganger using bloodspiller and quietus.

My main immediate issue with this is that it's borrowing a GNB skill, and I'd kind of like to discourage just loading as many bloodspillers as possible into the shadow.

Edit: or just bring back Scourge lol, people love Scourge.

[WhyAmIHere]

Healers are doing too much damage then, nerf healers....

And I would rather spend the 3k MP on Edge of Darkness/Shadow, and not use defensive cooldowns to spite the green DPS for not healing.


Meme aside, unavoidable damage and tankbusters are too infrequent to even use The Blackest Night as intended, and as I said before, so long as enrage timers and mechanics that can be skipped because people are pushing DPS exist, tanks will want more DPS on them because the healers are out DPSing the tanks....

So you admit people should be doing damage, and doing more damage is beneficial to everyone, but because you'd rather spend 3k MP on an E/FoS instead of TBN to spite healer damage, and that you feel healers need nerfed to do less damage, you arent even being consistent in your own logic?