No More Big Pulls in Dungeons

[Callinon]

Nice try, but no not at all. The difference between me & you is that I mind my business, don't bother anybody in my group out of nowhere, close my mouth, and just play the game, whereas with you, you start barking orders and attempting to talk to people from a (imaginary) higher place. I said it clearly, in my reply, but in case you missed it, I will say it again: "you need to keep that to yourself."

If you want to be a toxic egoist, then keep it to yourself and stay quiet, leave your group mates and others out of it.

Wow you need to calm the F down there bucko.

Your original reply was not to me. I was commenting on what looked like a toxic attitude coupled with a logical fallacy.

Apparently I was dead on with that analysis.

[ForteNightshade]

If the healer wants to DPS, then he or she or it can queue as a DPS. Any healer who complains about having to heal is a healer who only queued as a healer to avoid a long DPS queue.

Also, I find it odd that such a healer would be worried about being able to contribute to the DPS when they are telling the tank to slow down in order to allow them to do so. The only reason for a healer to do any DPS is to speed things up. Your post makes very little sense here.

I'm not advocating for huge pulls- as a DPS, I find it annoying when I'm playing a BLM and have to chase the tanks for half a mile before I can unload a few nuclear bombs.

What else are healers supposed to do? This game's content hits like a wet noodle. Healers place so much emphasis on their DPS because they'd be AFK otherwise. When the current Expert dungeon bosses can't break 50,000 on their busters despite the tank having several vuln stacks, it highlights just how little healing is actually required.

As for your BLM. Those "nuclear bombs" will deal significantly more damage on a pack of ten mobs than three. So waiting until the tank has everything gathered up is far better than wanting baby pulls.

[IttyBitty]

Awful lot of people don't seem to know that 170*9 (Doom Spike) is way more than 360*1 (Fang & Claw/Wheeling Thrust). Or even Full Thrust (530).

[TheForce]

Wow you need to calm the F down there bucko.

Your original reply was not to me. I was commenting on what looked like a toxic attitude coupled with a logical fallacy.

Apparently I was dead on with that analysis.

Nah, you weren't. Once again though, nice try. When you're here defending/ignoring/enabling the ones who are trying to put players down for no good reason and then attacking the ones calling them out for it, you have no credibility when it comes to identifying toxicity. And also, let's make this clear, me not allowing you to accuse me of something and then challenging you on it does not equal me not being calm. What are you even talking about. It's actually funny because as I typed that previous response I was quietly laughing irl because I KNEW that my post would garner responses like yours where I'd be accused of being toxic because I'm passionately calling out toxicity (poetic, isn't it?). It is what it is though lol. And I couldn't care less who my original response was to, you tried to jump on me and accuse me of doing something I wasn't in an effort to make me look like a fool, so I reacted accordingly ;D

[HyoMinPark]

“I’m going to call out toxicity while being toxic myself.”

Hmm. :thinking:

The words “toxic” and “toxicity” truly have no meaning anymore.

[Enla]

“I’m going to call out toxicity while being toxic myself.”

Hmm. :thinking:

The words “toxic” and “toxicity” truly have no meaning anymore.

They're essentially buzz words these days for 'things and/or people I don't like and want to discredit'. The irony being that a lot of times the people who fling those words around actually fit the original meaning more often than not.

[Cylestea]

i love doing big pulls on my tank and healing them on my healing. when on dancer i love aoeing them down. its more fun. If you dont feel right with big pulls just say so at the start. if i'm learning a new one as healer i just request that they take it easy while i adjust myself to these pulls in this dungeon. 9/10 times it works.

[Selova]

Stop trying to be a hero, and concentrate your attacks on one enemy at a time! I guarantee, they will go down a lot quicker individually, than if you try to take out 213128901 of them at once.

This is Objectively false. You will never make it through a dungeon faster than someone chain pulling, ever. There is zero reason you should be doing single pulls, mobs do not hit that hard to warrant it. To top it all off you're essentially griefing your group by doing this intentionally because you "think" it's faster when the only thing it's doing is wasting 3 other people's time. Stop trying to make this a thing. It will never be a thing.

[Awful]

You need to relax. I'm not gonna reply to everything in this response because honestly I just don't care enough. But, I need to address a few things you brought up...so, if the healer is able to get through content and keep everybody reasonably healed up, they are NOT a bad healer. To heck with the rest of your superfluous standards and nitpicks, speaking as a Savage/EX Tank myself, if my healer can keep us healed up and allow us to progress through content, hey are a fine healer. Period. You're really coming off as an elitist right now. Also, speaking as a Tank who literally ALWAYS pulls wall to wall, if a Tank chooses to pull mob by mob, it's not a "snail's pace", stop being disrespectful. Some players prefer to do things differently and know what they can and cannot handle, and if their role gives them the authority to control just that, RESPECT THAT, or you have no business playing with a team. Pulling wall to wall isn't required to clear any content, and that's all that needs to be said.

Some of you guys need to really stop treating this game like some nonsense office setting/work setting. It's so incredibly annoying, all you care about is efficiency, productivity, no mistakes, do things this way and only this way, you must abide by my subjective standards. If that's the poisonous outlook you choose to have, then you need to keep that to yourself, and stop trying to push it onto others online who are just trying to have a fun time playing Final Fantasy. If they are clearing content, they are fine.

Yawn...another toxic player who thinks they know everything. And it's honestly hilarious that you went through the trouble of stalking me just to be wrong. Here's a wild concept, it's possible to do Savage content and not have a mount.

It's not toxic when you can literally Lodestone on a public website there's even a search info button that you can use, and they're right why say you're a Savage raider when you can't even grasp the basics of mass pulling? You come in here putting down people's play style for your own? You came into this thread with an attitude that reflects how you are saying that "nope everyone's wrong! You're blowing this out of proportion because my way is the highway!". It's like you made your own handbook and slapped it into the forums it's kind of hilarious if you ask me.

You say you close your mouth in your dungeons and be respectful but yet you come on the forums being the only one with an ego on here pretty ironic isn't it? People care about effort, not being some 100 percentile Ultimate raider which is the image you labeled people as, we want people who actually give a damn and you don't, you are the kind of person who let people get away with the bare minimum (like yourself) and then think it's okay and it's not.

It's why we have Ice Mages running around, DPS who don't AoE, healers that just spam Medica II, tanks that don't pop CDs and overpull or show up undergeared and because you don't say anything at all you're enabling it so I don't agree with you or your attitude you can take it out the door.

[Lesan]

If you can't do a section of a dungeon in one go, then start by cutting the pull size just in half.
Still big, more manageable for a healer.

And at the end of the day, it all depends on the group composition and level of the duty, in Sastasha and comparable, you might not yet have AoE in a group, while at 50 or higher? You can pretty much be assured to have AoE available.