So, what's all coming in 5.11 again?

[DumdogsWorld]

Crafting is not the main goal of the game

So when developers make a game, they must make only what some forum users consider the "main goal" require effort and time? This is an mmorpg. Some rpg players actually like their rpgs to have progression.

Also, you don't need to be a crafter. You don't need to be a gatherer. So yes, they can afford to make it difficult. Logically speaking, they could even afford to make it more difficult than pve content. Because, you know, it's optional.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

So when developers make a game, they must make only what some forum users consider the "main goal" require effort and time? This is an mmorpg. Some rpg players actually like their rpgs to have progression.

I said can afford to, not have to. And I was just calling out your false equivalence of "if crafting can be one-buttoned, raiding should be one-buttoned to". PVE (of which raiding is a part of) is a main goal of the game. Crafting isn't, it is secondary facet of the game.

If they made crafting the main goal, and PVE second, this wouldn't be the same game anymore, let alone an RPG

Also, you don't need to be a crafter. You don't need to be a gatherer. So yes, they can afford to make it difficult. Logically speaking, they could even afford to make it more difficult than pve content. Because, you know, it's optional.

Optionality doesn't correlate to difficulty. Sidequests aren't harder than dungeons. Gold Saucer isn't harder than dungeons. Relic Weapons aren't harder than dungeons.

[DumdogsWorld]

And I was just calling out your false equivalence of "if crafting can be one-buttoned, raiding should be one-buttoned to".

But it's not false. The crafting in FF14 is a game within a game. When you play a game, you still have to put effort into beating it. It doesn't matter whether the game is nested inside another game or not.

So yes, I'm against people winning games without putting forth any effort.