No More Big Pulls in Dungeons

[Fynlar]

Clemency is NOT a dps gain. If it was, PLD's would be using it for optimization. It's not, therefore it's a dps loss.

I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if a HEALER can't HEAL as well as DPS, then they are bad healer, literally you have so many cooldowns this should never be an issue. Tanks using MITIGATION properly can allow healers to dps easier.

If you need to waste a cast on Clemency to stay alive, you have more things to worry about whether Clemency is a DPS loss or not. But nice strawman.

Aaaaaaaaand there it is.

[FirstnameLastname]

I'm pretty sure I know more about it than someone that has a one year-old account with all three healers still at level 70.

While accidents happen, you should never, EVER, scare your tank into using their invuln like that, especially with their lengthy timers.

No, just.. no. As a tank myself, if I see a healer instantly throw all his heals my way if I drop a couple % in HP I know it's a bad one. You can easily let tanks drop to 10%-ish and get them to full with a single Essential Dignity and DPS in the meantime. This way you are contributing way more to the run than by just sitting back and trying to keep everyone at 100%.

Besides - as a WAR main I can easily heal myself up to full every 30 seconds with NF in large pulls. So if you barely keep me alive inbetween in favor of your own DPS - that is a job well done. And that is what I have in mind when I chain my cooldowns.

[ValkyrieL]

Troll post!

[Videra]

I'm pretty sure I know more about it than someone that has a one year-old account with all three healers still at level 70.

While accidents happen, you should never, EVER, scare your tank into using their invuln like that, especially with their lengthy timers.



Essential Dignity is an emergency skill. That's exactly why its potency ramps up when the target has less DPS. That justifies what I'm saying; it doesn't deny it.

I've been playing since ARR and I'm posting on my old main. Try again. There is no such thing as an emergency skill, your OGCDs are not 'crutches', this is literally how healers are played. You treat GCD heals like the devil (while acknowledging that they're a necessary evil), and primarily DPS while weaving in your COMPLETELY FREE OGCD heals. Also, I tank too! I can certainly say that I make the most liberal use of invulns I possibly can, because they are cooldowns to be used. Hallowed goes first on big pulls, and so on. And Living Dead is a sweet 20 seconds of invuln if co-ordinated properly.

Also, what's this unhealthy obsession you have with trying to prove you're right to the point that you stalk other people's lodestones?

[giwaman]

This is why they removed TP, so we can pull everything and spam aoes like TRUE HEROES!!!!!

[demonette]

This is neither smart nor effective, especially if a healer cannot contribute to the damage dealing

The damage gained from the AOE of 2 damage dealers and a tank more than makes up for less healer damage. Please use critical thinking skills TIA.

you are committed to it for 90 minutes

No. Just no. Dungeons take around 20 minutes. Maybe up to 30 if someone is new to mechanics. Sounds like you are just not respecting people's time, and have a preconceived notion of what a dungeon run should look like.


This is an incredibly rude post that disregards basic facts about how the game works. Go away.

[SturmChurro]

I have actually been in dungeons that lasted like 70+ minutes..

[CazzT]

tank is pulling multiple skirmishes at once, even as much as an entire leg of a dungeon. This is neither smart nor effective

It's extremely smart and effective as it allows the DPS to AOE multiple packs instead of only one at a time.

especially if a healer cannot contribute to the damage dealing because (s)he is too busy trying to keep everybody alive and expending his/her entire MP pool in the process.

Healer DPS isn't enough to make single pack pulls efficient compared to big pulls.

It's even more irritating when I as a tank am being asked to pull more than one skirmish, and people start getting salty or even quitting because they don't like my pace.

When it's clear that the tank is capable of pulling more, and the tank refuses to do so, the tank is not being a team player. Salt stocks will naturally be on the rise in that situation.

IT'S NOT A RACE, PEOPLE!!!

No one said it is?

When you do a dungeon, you are committed to it for 90 minutes, and while it should never take nearly that long with a decent party, there's no need to attempt to blitz through it and risk a wipe, either.

Wrong. I am committed to that dungeon for the minimum time it takes to clear it.

Stop trying to be a hero, and concentrate your attacks on one enemy at a time! I guarantee, they will go down a lot quicker individually, than if you try to take out 213128901 of them at once.

10 enemies. Each takes 30 seconds to kill with single target abilities. That's ~300 seconds, or 5 minutes.
10 enemies. Each takes 70 seconds to kill with AOE, but they all die within seconds of each other. That's 70-90 seconds.
It's not hard to see why single target is the wrong way to do it.
But hey, if you like slow pulls where groupmates use ONLY single target abilities and the dungeon takes 30+ minutes every time..... Trusts are a thing now.

[CazzT]

No, just.. no. As a tank myself, if I see a healer instantly throw all his heals my way if I drop a couple % in HP I know it's a bad one. You can easily let tanks drop to 10%-ish and get them to full with a single Essential Dignity and DPS in the meantime. This way you are contributing way more to the run than by just sitting back and trying to keep everyone at 100%.

Besides - as a WAR main I can easily heal myself up to full every 30 seconds with NF in large pulls. So if you barely keep me alive inbetween in favor of your own DPS - that is a job well done. And that is what I have in mind when I chain my cooldowns.

If you ever let a tank drop to 10% before throwing a heal on them, you're worse than a healer that doesn't DPS. With latency and other factors, 10% is just asking for a wipe.

[EnigmaticDodo]

I have actually been in dungeons that lasted like 70+ minutes..

...I'm so sorry you had to deal with that lol good lord (assuming it wasnt intentional or some special circumstance that made you wanna stay in for that long lol)