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    SaberMaxwell's Avatar
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    If all three had a raise, all three would then have similar damage capability, that's not in question. Black Mage loses a lot more than Red Mage let gcd spent not casting, that's just the nature of the job as it is right now. Also recall I mained Red Mage through both Ultimates and four Savage tiers, I'm not underestimating anything, I'm just pointing out that for a Black Mage to specifically triplecast raise it's going to cost it a lot in opportunity costs.

    Let's say we made it eat a polyglot. Then it would cost BLM the potency of a Fire 4 + the potency of Xenoglossy for a single raise. That's over 1,000 potency for a single raise not even including the swiftcast needed for mobility and weaving anyway. That's prohibitively expensive compared to RDM paying in the neighborhood of 400 potency for a dualcast raise.

    It's not as simple as saying "But triplecast raise and umbral ice!" There's a lot more to it than that. The high costs of raising unique to BLM would be the potency they dump and the mobility they sacrifice to do it, whereas for RDM it would be a sensitive Mana economy and for SMN it would be their only swiftcast. No gimmick beyond that is needed.
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    Narumi Akiudo
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post

    It's not as simple as saying "But triplecast raise and umbral ice!" There's a lot more to it than that. The high costs of raising unique to BLM would be the potency they dump and the mobility they sacrifice to do it, whereas for RDM it would be a sensitive Mana economy and for SMN it would be their only swiftcast. No gimmick beyond that is needed.
    the part i underlined righ now works out so great that when smn was not as broken as it is now redmage was around 300 dps below summoner and people still argued redmage was way better than smn because it could chain rezz.
    Also again yes the opportunity cost for a blackmage would be great, but if that could get up 4 people in a row (if you really think there is no gimmick needed, sacrificing triple cast+potentially swiftcast is enough) it would be worth every bit of it, it isn't the question of "what does it cost the blackmage if he does it" the question is simply "what does it offer the group if the blackmage does it" because if it is in fact not needed the blackmage would in fact not do it , thereby it would cost him literally nothing at this point.
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