Please reconsider removing job restrictions on glamour armor

[Jybril]

I always found the excuse a bit lackluster. You are not leveling 18 different characters, you are one character leveling several jobs. If you are a level 50 black mage, and thus can wear level 50 black mage clothes, you shouldn't be unable to glam them just because you are currently holding a sword in your hand. You are still a level 50 black mage imo. (i.e. let us glam anything we can equip on any of our leveled jobs)

I get that but if people are so on with gear restrictions, I'd at least let them keep the iconic AF gear locked onto them.
I personally wouldn't be upset if those were unlocked but still. (Unless you meant just mage gear in general nvm this.)

My things is, the excuse he used "To differentiate peoples Job/Role" makes me feel like he's calling us all idiots.
"Hey that guy is wearing a dress...I think he's a healer but he has a sword?"
That whole spiel is immediately thrown out the window when we are sitting here with snowmen and frog suits.
Not only that, remember the "ROG AF"? Well that's available for doggone anyone now, under the name of Pagos.
So now what?

But yeah, I rather him just go on and say he doesn't feel like doing it than this crap to make us look dumb lol.

[MsQi]

1 - Saying a person can change clothes is irrelevant to removing restrictions.
2 - Which I addressed.
3 - Completely irrelevant.
4 - The number of glamour plates is irrelevant to the design of the job gear. Glamour plates didn't even exist until Stormblood. Another irrelevant point.


Still NPCs. The rules for NPC gear are not the same for job gear for players. This has always been the case, and is the case in pretty much every MMO.

1. entirely relevant. There is no lore that keeps a person from wearing stuff they own.
2. and what you said supported no restrictions. Since they aren't designed for jobs they shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted.
3. Completely relevant
4. Entirely relevant. The systems in place are contrary to what they claim is important.

What are these rules you made up? You think lore keeps me from putting on tank armor when I'm a mage, but it doesn't keep NPCs from doing it? They live in the same world.

[rachcouture]

This has always been one of my biggest gripes with the game. Why can't I wear all the pretty caster outfits as a healer? Why can't my BRD or DNC equip all the decorative, unarmored melee DPS gear (i.e. Yafaemi) that barely makes sense for their intended role in the first place? Why can't I wear my most flattering robes on PLD, the battlemage job? Why do I need to keep multiple versions of my favorite jewelry post-Stormblood for glamouring on different jobs when they all look the same? Even now it's frustrating seeing that my favorite looks from the Nier raid are all for jobs I have no interest in playing.

Class identity hasn't been a valid excuse from day 1 of glamours and the birth of tanking in bikinis or moogle suits. Artifact gear isn't an excuse, either.

The only reason I can think of people not understanding why this is such a sore spot for so much of the playerbase is that they're DPS mains, the roles that always tend to get the absolute best-looking glamours in the game.

[CazzT]

1. entirely relevant. There is no lore that keeps a person from wearing stuff they own.
2. and what you said supported no restrictions. Since they aren't designed for jobs they shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted.
3. Completely relevant
4. Entirely relevant. The systems in place are contrary to what they claim is important.

1 - Nothing is preventing you from wearing gear for your jobs that is not designed for that specific job. Black Mage garb for Black Mage. I'm not referring to raid/tome gear. I have already made that clear.
2 - It did not support no restrictions. Read it again.
3 - Incorrect.
4 - They are not. Being able to wear a different piece of armor does not invalidate the restrictions. They are not reliant on each other.

What are these rules you made up?

Not liking reality does not mean someone made up rules.

You think lore keeps me from putting on tank armor when I'm a mage, but it doesn't keep NPCs from doing it? They live in the same world.

You refuse to accept that rules for NPCs are different from rules for players. You completely ignored my point that NPCs have skills/spells that players do not for the same job. The same goes for gear for NPCs. You're free to not like it, but it's still the reality of the situation. And it's not something that's going to change. And before you twist my words into saying that restrictions will never be lifted, I'm referring to how NPCs are geared.

You also entirely ignored my point about it being a defining characteristic of the franchise.

[Aurida]

It's not that they don't understand, it's that they're staying willfully ignorant because they think that the 1 to 4 job sets per class in the game somehow make 'job/role identity' more important than the concept of player freedom.

Hey, news flash for ya! The iconic red mage gear doesn't somehow become not a red mage outfit if someone who's not a red mage is wearing it! You still get to look at the person wearing the red mage set and think 'oh neat, they're wearing the red mage set, that looks really cool' only now there's 28 classes that can access the gear instead of just 1.

[myahele]

I wonder why SE allowed this in China?

[CazzT]

It's not that they don't understand, it's that they're staying willfully ignorant because they think that the 1 to 4 job sets per class in the game somehow make 'job/role identity' more important than the concept of player freedom.

Too much player freedom and you lose what makes a game good. There is some willful ignorance happening here, but not from the people you're accusing.

Hey, news flash for ya! The iconic red mage gear doesn't somehow become not a red mage outfit if someone who's not a red mage is wearing it!

Actually, that's exactly what it means. It's no longer a Red Mage outfit if anyone can wear it. At that point, it's just another outfit anyone can wear. The fact that you acknowledge it's a Red Mage outfit, instead of just referring to it as a generic outfit, proves that.

[rachcouture]

Too much player freedom and you lose what makes a game good.

In what way is this relevant to cosmetics? Glamours don't affect the game's rules, and self-expression has always been one of the biggest aspects of an MMO.

[MsQi]

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I don't know what your stance on this is because you are constantly contradicting yourself. The main focus of this topic is removing restrictions on NON artifact gear. Artifact gear is usually considered the gear you get as part of your job quests at 50,60,70 etc.

[rachcouture]

I don't know what your stance on this is because you are constantly contradicting yourself. The main focus of this topic is removing restrictions on NON artifact gear. Artifact gear is usually considered the gear you get as part of your job quests at 50,60,70 etc.

I'm okay with artifact gear being lessened to role restrictions, even. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to wear my dyable Constellation top on WHM or SCH. It's a bejeweled summer dress; nothing about that screams AST at all. Same with the Seventh Heaven outfit being nothing more than a couture gown.