FF 5.X Alternative Raid Buff Alignment and Openers

[HyoMinPark]

So long as you get Bloodshower and FountainFall within Tech Finish, it's pretty much filled with GCDs over 300 potency. Also, double-weaving Devilment and Flourish causes clipping.

I’m very much aware. That why the standard opener has you do Tech Finish > Flourish > RW > Devilment. It avoids the clipping, and pushes your stronger procs into Trick Attack windows if your group is running a NIN.

Losing any procs during a TF window is still a personal DPS loss. You also aren’t accounting for Saber Dance pushing out Bloodshower and Fountainfall.

Besides, the bigger issue are the Saber Dance procs, as using them takes priority over Flourish moves within the Tech Finish window, even though it could cause you to lose a Flourish Procs (SE really needs to make it so that Saber Dance refreshes Flourish procs. At least by 5 secs...)

So you would obviously not want to exacerbate this issue by delaying Flourish as you have. With the standard opener, you are likely to get in all Saber procs and Flourished procs during your TF window. At most, you will lose out on 1 proc. Your proposed opener has you potentially losing more than that with a buff window because you want to, what? Cascade > Fountain at the start of the fight? That’s not optimal.

This is to say nothing that your arbitrary delay makes it very likely to lose out on a Flourish cast entirely, as it’s only 60 seconds. As it stands now, I’ve ended some runs losing out on a proc or two—but that’s better than losing an entire cast because you desire to change the established raid buff windows.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Flourish lines up perfectly with Tech Finish either because you could find yourself in a situation where you go into Tech Step with a Reverse Cascade and Fountainfall proc, as well as enough Espirit for a Saber Dance and/or Standard Step might come off of CD or be ready to go. Obviously, you don't want to overwrite those two procs and you'd want to hold it till after Saber Dance and Standard Step so you lower the risk of losing Flourish procs at all, let alone worrying about them falling out of the Tech Finish window.

You will never have a situation where you will have both Reverse Cascade and Fountainfall going into your TF window if you are managing procs correctly. At most, you end up with a delayed Flourish if your Flourish was delayed by a proc or two during the intermittent Flourish uses (i.e., the Flourishes between Technical Finish windows). The standard opener does not start with a Cascade > Fountain at all, thereby eliminating the possibility of ever having unaccounted for procs in your opener.

Did you consult with any of the DNC theorycrafters about these “openers”?

I cannot stress enough that the optimal way to play DNC has already been decided. As has its opener and general priority rotation. You admitted in another thread that you are only able to do simple maths. If you cannot do the math required to determine optimal play, perhaps you should stop trying to invent openers for the jobs. Your previous openers were suboptimal, as are these.



On an unrelated-to-DNC note, your DRG openers also have random uses of BotD after FnC or WT when there’s no reason to use it, as both FnC and WT extend BotD. It’s virtually impossible to drop BotD now, so there’s no reason to “refresh” it by pressing BotD. I’m not a DRG main, but even I know that’s a pointless button press. If you cannot fundamentally understand these jobs, why are you suggesting new openers for them?