FF 5.X Alternative Raid Buff Alignment and Openers

[HyoMinPark]

Progging UwU on a job doesn’t mean you understand how it plays. You can throw that out as if you think it’ll make a difference, but your openers speak for themselves. If you were as familiar with DRG as you claim, you would have never missed the mistakes you made in these “openers”.

[ZyrinMisharuji]

Here's something you don't understand about holding buffs. You NEVER hold buffs in the opener. They are aligned for a reason. The ONLY time you hold buffs is depending on your kill time. For example, in my static we have DNC, DRG, MNK, SMN, SCH. So depending on the kill time of the boss you would hold the final 2 minute window for the final 3 minute window to end the fight under maximum buffs or anything to that extent. Holding buffs is something you do towards the end of the fight, never in the beginning when the openers set the pace for the entire rest of the fight and pretty much EVERY job needs their opener to start and end at a certain time (for example WAR, after Storm's Eye, they are either doing IC > IC > IR or IC > IR > IC, no exceptions so that they stay aligned with Brotherhood (if it exists) and also stays aligned for Trick Attack (and Technical Step) etc.

So, let's use Voidwalker for example since he's a 0 downtime fight pretty much. Let's say your group kills it at like 9:17 or so. Using this timing you could delay final Technical Step, Chain Strat, Dragon Sight, and any other 2 minute CD for the 9 minute window so that everyone is under the effect of as many buffs as possible when the fight ends.

tl;dr holding buffs is an end of fight optimization/speed run optimization, not a beginning of the fight optimization. Openers are already optimized, do not mess with them.

[Sizouney]

I just came back from the hospital after getting the tumor removed that I got from reading this post.
Do you even play the game or did you just make this for a kindergarten's project?

[Nemekh]

Considering how many of us from The Balance have come to speak out otherwise...

[Vendalwind]

Ok, let\\'s answer these questions one by one, shall we?

.... they werent questions. They were statements. And you clearly dont know how to sim things. And are simply not thinking through some of your fixes.

1 moving bunshin earlier would result in even more lost potential with less of its hits in trick and more ninki overcap.

Moving it later would be just delay things dmg output further and delaying bunshin further (even more likely to lose a use)

2 pushing meisui back means pushing the second bhava out of the opener. You cant make up for this by movig bunshin early so thats another potency loss.

3 my point is yeah in your opener both raitons fit, but its not a personally optimal trick because an aeol+bunshin 200+bhava is worth more and only fits in trick if you drop the second raiton. But you cant do that cause you\\'ve delayed trick such that aeolian isnt in trick.

4 with a proper prepull your raiton will be overcapping by second 14. BEFORE you even have us using trick. This means its overcapping at shadowfang. Shadowfang 2.1, hyoshu 2.5, tcj 3.5-4, gust slash 2.1.
You are overcapping raiton by more than 10 seconds thus you lose about 60% of a raiton.

5 yeah your raitons are in but your second bhava is not guaranteed. Because trick lasts 15.8 seconds right now you might catch it, depends when you weaved trick. but like i said, you catch only spinning edge in trick... our weakest gcd. If you cant figure out why this is a loss oh well.

Doton snapshots buffs. It DOES NOT snapshot debuffs because it checks those on tick. Trick attack thus effects it as a debuff on a per tick basis iirc. Fflogs is not perfect especially with its rdps calulations.

I really can see why you were banned from the balance... you dont listen and then when you try to fix things you offer alternatives that are just as bad.

Look i appreciate your candor and optimism in the face of so many people disagreeing with you, but you are definately not fully aware of the intracacies of the things your late openers mess up. If you want to be TK monk fine, but please stop telling other people to intentionally f up their openers.

[Vendalwind]

If you actually wanted to fix things your nin opener could have one advantage over the standard trick window wise.

You need to delay pot, mug, kassatsu one gcd. This shouldnt cause any problems because you literally have the extra gcd in front of those 3. Bunshin at the same spot to keep more hits in pot window.

Delay dwd and bhava after shadowfang. Unfortunately this means dwd will be a more awkward weave in later tricks but it would be how to make it optimal.

Right after hyosho > dwd, > raiton then tcj > meisui so you can keep that tied to tcj without ninki overcap. Additionally this would lessen the raiton overcap by 6 seconds.

Then gust slash assasinate raiton bhava finish your windows.

There are still other problems like i said with delaying trick till 15, but if you really wanted a nin to do this the above is how it would as current knowledge stands be best accomplished.

[Vendalwind]

Forgot to say it. That advantage is potentially getting both bhavas and both raitons in trick. Im still not sure that final bhava would safely fall in trick.

[giwaman]

OP, please stop spreading wrong infos!

[Oxdarock]

Thanks to the feedback I’ve received, the NIN, DRG, PLD, SMN, RDM, WHM, SCH, and AST openers have been fixed. Also, multiple opener titles have been renamed and extra notes adjusted.

Thank you very much everybody!

[HyoMinPark]

Thanks to the feedback I’ve received, the NIN, DRG, PLD, SMN, RDM, WHM, SCH, and AST openers have been fixed. Also, multiple opener titles have been renamed and extra notes adjusted.

Thank you very much everybody!

These openers are still not optimal. Your DNC openers are still wrong.