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    DotsNnots's Avatar
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    Alevia Rohan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxdarock View Post
    Kind of hard to contact people when you were banned from the Discord they're all gathered before you even have the chance to contact them. ^^;

    Definitely see how SCH benefits more with the current openers with how Energy Drain is spread, but I'm not sure what the issue is with AST or WHM.
    You were in the discord for months, including when you posted your first pass of this document, and even then you consulted none of the healer mentors. Please don't try to twist this into some arbitrary excuse. Though to be frank, after hearing how you approached the other combat mentors, I can't say I'm heartbroken - I just don't appreciate the plug for the server when the consultation didn't happen or was ignored.

    To the point,

    WHM
    For Assize - Clipping swiftcast is going to lose you roughly 100 potency. Even getting Assize under multiple raid buffs, you'd need a 25% increase in damage buffs to be up when assize is cast to make up for the 100p you lost from that hard clip of swift. And this is to say nothing for the fact that you're delaying it for more than a third of it's cooldown and running a BIG risk of losing one over the course of a fight, which is is an even bigger loss. You're already at a loss from the swiftcast clip, but even pretending that wasn't happening, if you lost a use in an encounter there's no reasonable amount of raid buff alignments for the remaining assizes that would make up for it. You'd need 10% damage up on 10 assizes for example, but because assize is 45s most raid buffs won't align, so realistically you're never going to get this. You'll always be operating a huge loss.
    Delaying Presence of Mind nets you nothing here. Presence of mind increases your total number of casts, but it doesn't increase the damage done on those casts. The only important part of presence of mind is making sure the additional casts you've gained over your normal base fall under raid buffs, which they will when you use the proper opener. The way you've used it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of it.
    And you're arbitrarily clipping dia by 5-6s? So, that's another 120p down the drain. Snapping under raid buffs is also not going to make you this back unless under VERY specific and situational scenarios.
    And why you even use thin air and lucid is beyond me, you don't pair these together. That's not how proper mp planning works.

    SCH
    Let's just clip a million energy drains for no regard to why clipping is bad? And just lose potency to use a pot later, rather than using it pre-pull and saving you more potency? It's like you took the proper opener and changed things just to change things, you sometimes ruin2 to weave, and sometimes don't, without much rhyme or reason. Also to the point, with how much you're clipping you're delaying your application of chain by more than you realize.

    AST
    I won't even get into this one, I'd suggest watching this video instead: https://youtu.be/RWQ_TnJqqcw

    The biggest take away here is that you lose way more potency than you gain with your failed attempts to align things into raid buffs. Clipping GCDs, among your other issues, adds up to significant damage losses that no amount of raid buff alignments will return.


    And to clarify, I'm not providing this information here for you OP. Your track record of ignoring logic and reasoning proceeds you. I do however want to provide it for anyone who thinks I'm lodging a claim just to be contrary without evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DotsNnots View Post
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    I have to admit that since I only able to use simple math, I'm at a complete loss as to where that particular potency for clipping Swiftcast came from. ^^;
    I see what you mean with the Assize though, in which case the solution for that would most likely be for Dia to be the first GCD, followed by Assize (Pot would be used before Dia. The only other way I could see Assized being weaved in is if you replace a Glare with Regen, which is perfectly fine since I stated that if healing is necessary, then replace one of the Glares to do so. Aside from that, from a pure Dps perspective, I believe that's a case-by-case thing. If you can get an extra cast by using it right after the pull, then do so. If not, then is should be fine where it is, no? As for the second Dia cast, you're right. I actually overlooked the Presence of Mind usage, so there should be another Glare in front of it.

    For SCH, I can see the second use of Energy Drain causing Chain to be pushed back a little too far now that you mention it, so I think a Ruin 2 should definitely be ahead of it. And even using Pot before the first Biolysis, it should still reach the second one, so that's definitely the better option.

    AST I admittedly made it under the assumption of using Draw 15 seconds before the pull, but 30 would definitely be more optimal, using Lord/Lady and so on. Same with the third Sleeve Draw. I admittedly was thinking more towards gathering seals for the next Divination ^^;. Also forgot about the need to make decision with the cards, so double-weaving Play is definitely out. And it's definitely true that Combust first like in the "Early Div" opener would work out better in the "Standard" opener (referring to this doc).

    As for how I contacted the mentors, I didn't contact everyone at once. I went one by one for each class. Considering the response of most of the mentors, it would have been way too heavy for me mentally to try to tackle all the classes at with many people not even giving it a chance, especially since my raid alignment the first time around was akin to me trying to reinvent the wheel rather than minor delays. I was saving the healer mentors for last, but made the mistake of trying to debate the MNK openers with the MNK channel, which led to my ban (I didn't even get the chance to talk with the NIN mentor, though I think he was part of the MNK discussion. ^^; )

    Anyway, thank you for the feedback. I'll get to fixing the healer openers asap.
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