People want challenging end game content and

[Angus-Beef]

No one's shitting on anyone, people just don't have time to teach someone how to dodge or to not stand in stuff.

If I'm an elitist for asking for the bare minimum then so be it, but if I I feel some people will waste my time in my pf group they're getting the boot.

This is all easily fixed by you making your own btw.

[Ilyrian]

So I'm not allow to do the new EX primal unless I beat savage?

Only person stopping you is you.

Start your own group. Set your own parameters.

[Fhaerron]

Hades EX isn't challenging

It is a fun fight, was really fun going in blind and learning every mechanic step by step (with my static) but yeah it isn't really hard, all mechanics are easily done.
Now we just blaze trough it in around 11 mins.

Also why shouldn't I use my 470 gear & titan weapon? Not our fault that Hades ex wasn't overtuned for 470 Ilvl.
If SE would do that they would get a lot of hate of not making it casual friendly.

[Miziliti]

Hades EX isn't challenging

It is a fun fight, was really fun going in blind and learning every mechanic step by step (with my static) but yeah it isn't really hard, all mechanics are easily done.
Now we just blaze trough it in around 11 mins.

Also why shouldn't I use my 470 gear & titan weapon? Not our fault that Hades ex wasn't overtuned for 470 Ilvl.
If SE would do that they would get a lot of hate of not making it casual friendly.

I have absolutely nothing against blind prog at all and I prefer it. The problem is even some blind fresh prog are being set at ilvl 460+ when EX itself is being set at requiring i450 BY THE DEV. This was on Primal DC. There were several.
It's your choice to cheese and blaze through it with savage gear with your own static circle for all I care. You can be whatever high ilvl you want to be in pug, but pugs setting it beyond default requirement is just stupid. Especially for content not even a week old. What ever, some people are now thinking you need +10 more ilvl to do contents like this. It's sad.

[Miminming]

What make you think 8 people that dont even do savage nor collect tomestone with iL 450 can clear extreme with MINIMAL iLevel? You get free 460 by trading tomestone, You can buy 450 crafter gear and trade it for 460, you can get 1 460 from Alliance raid... no excuse... extreme is HIGH-END contents after all...

[Miminming]

FYI savage player is 470 ATM... while people who dont do savage is probably 461 so 460 is actually expected much.

[Vidu]

I have absolutely nothing against blind prog at all and I prefer it. The problem is even some blind fresh prog are being set at ilvl 460+ when EX itself is being set at requiring i450 BY THE DEV. This was on Primal DC. There were several.
It's your choice to cheese and blaze through it with savage gear with your own static circle for all I care. You can be whatever high ilvl you want to be in pug, but pugs setting it beyond default requirement is just stupid. Especially for content not even a week old. What ever, some people are now thinking you need +10 more ilvl to do contents like this. It's sad.

If you think its stupid you can set up a PF with an ilvl of 450 /shrug.

An ilvl of 460 is extremly achievable - after the patch even more before it, but you dont need Savage-gear to reach that. Anyone can get a tomestone set easly and thats all you need to get that ilvl.
Beating an EX-primal with minimum ilvl is a challenge and probably not one you want to trust randoms with...

Setting the ilvl at 460 also has another sad reason: Its the only way to ensure that people have gear fo that ilvl in every slot. Setting the ilvl to 450 is carrying the risk that people will achieve that not by having 450-gear in every slot, but a potential mix of ronka- and deepshadow-gear. With ronka being in the important slots - left side, weapon - and deepshadow pushing the ilvl but only covering the lesser slots - right side, belt. I've seen this far, far to often to not be catious about it...

And as far as I can tell those PFs with this "stupid" ilvl setting are filling up - which tells me that enough people have that ilvl to justify setting it that high.
The minimum ilvl is the minimum - aka the devs telling you "we dont believe you can beat it with less", not "you really dont need more than that"! Its them telling you that you dont even need to attempt this content with less than 450 - not them telling you that you're entitled to join anyones party if you reach that ilvl.

[Samsta]

What exactly is your problem here? You don't like the fact that other people are looking for people with certain parameters? Ok, they are in no way obligated to cater to your needs, you can make your own group with your parameters and see if anyone joins. What exatly is the point in this post? To vent that you don't like their parameters? That's too bad, nothing can be done about that. The reason why part of my static put 465 to the ilvl limit was to get players that have done savage to join, while it doesn't quarantee their skill it raises the chances of them being a good player significantly, we wanted to have a good time going in blind with competent players.

[Zarabeth]

They are just making their PF as they like it. You can do the same.

[Vnolan]

I always get a kick out of those types.

Only accepts high-parsing players into the static, uses voice comms and triggers
"OMG, too easy"

Duh? Content wasn't designed for that setup.