Not enjoying the 5.1 Ninja changes

[Joryan]

After fiddling with the new ninja a bit further, there is one more thing that quite bothers me; while I'm no theorycrafter, it seems the optimal play will be the same as with HW Machinist: Wildfire (= Trick Attack) or nothing.

Shadow Fang having ~60 seconds cooldown means it should go into TA window. Same for TCJ. Mudra is stack-based instead cooldown-based now and also the heavy hitter, so you should save 2 stacks for upcoming TA. This means that in the 45 seconds outside TA window, the rotation will literally be 1-2-3, with occassional Armor Crush, a single Ninjustu (to avoid stacks overflow), TA-unaligned Bunshin once in a blue moon, and few Bhavas - and I'm not even sure about the last one, as it may turn out saving ninki to 100 and then fire it back-to-back in TA window will be the optimal DPS as well.

[Burningskull]

I really like the new ninja. And with all it's oGCDs and Ninjutsu still being on 20s I don't really feel slow at all. So I hope it stays the way it is now. If they wanted to remove Shadow Fang that would be ok. I hate keeping track of DoTs lol.

[Nielk]

well obvious all the dnc mains are happy with the ninja changes since they changed our class from NINJA to Dnc 2.0 with more dmg. the class has gotten high potency buff where every player who likes big numbers comes pretend they like ninja, so yeah.

Mudras Feel like DNC dance steps... Which is awful especially in Add Pulls ( You cant spam Aoe Dmg and mudras anymore you have to pick 1 or the other which doesn't make any sense but if your dnc of course its np. because it feels like dncs.)
DoT Shadow Fang Feels awful if they were going this route it should of been Ogcd Button, or Removed because its clunky or leave it as a combo.

[Shurrikhan]

From what ive read so far it seems causal/new Ninja players like the changes, while Ninja main that have played for a while dislike the changes. Interesting.

A running theme there...

[Yani-Madara]

well obvious all the dnc mains are happy with the ninja changes since they changed our class from NINJA to Dnc 2.0 with more dmg. the class has gotten high potency buff where every player who likes big numbers comes pretend they like ninja, so yeah.

Mudras Feel like DNC dance steps... Which is awful especially in Add Pulls ( You cant spam Aoe Dmg and mudras anymore you have to pick 1 or the other which doesn't make any sense but if your dnc of course its np. because it feels like dncs.)
DoT Shadow Fang Feels awful if they were going this route it should of been Ogcd Button, or Removed because its clunky or leave it as a combo.

Exactly, almost everyone that likes the changes didn't even main Nin. They will add Ninja to the bunch of classes they use until they get bored of it and bench it.

Another issue with 5.1 is that FFXIV still has a healer shortage on dungeons. The logical path would have been to make Scholar and Astro fun again, making them easier was clearly a mistake...

but the devs thought, HAH no, overhaul and simplify ninja and give it big ninjutsu numbers!

[Duskane]

Exactly, almost everyone that likes the changes didn't even main Nin. They will add Ninja to the bunch of classes they use until they get bored of it and bench it.

Another issue with 5.1 is that FFXIV still has a healer shortage on dungeons. The logical path would have been to make Scholar and Astro fun again, making them easier was clearly a mistake...

but the devs thought, HAH no, overhaul and simplify ninja and give it big ninjutsu numbers!

I played nin before and like overall changes no need to be upset because others can enjoy the changes and you dont

[KageTokage]

I've mained NIN since I started back in late HW and I honestly like the changes.

The class still feels relatively busy and I constantly had ping issues while trying to do their opener in the past so finally being able to squeeze out every last cooldown during a Trick Attack window feels good.

[shao32]

Im not ninja main but i use to play it casually when i was bored and i find the new mudras so.... Ugh, i mean wait a entire GCD to start using the mudra secuence feels so bad, while i understand the changes it wasn't posible the initial activation of the mudras being oGCD while working as now? Right now feels way less fluid, for me its like im going fast until i have to use the mudras that are like crashing with a door and then open It slowly with my face red.

The rest of the changes are nice and welcome TCJ feels pretty good.

[Orbus]

I haven't gave ninja a swing since HW, I didn't like the feel of it and trick attack making it the definition of a one trick pony.
SB and 5.0X ShB only doubled down on this and making it a three ring circus of overly complicated, ping and clipping issues have kept me firmly away.
I'm finally feeling like giving it another try with the revamp though.

[Nielk]

Exactly, almost everyone that likes the changes didn't even main Nin. They will add Ninja to the bunch of classes they use until they get bored of it and bench it.

Another issue with 5.1 is that FFXIV still has a healer shortage on dungeons. The logical path would have been to make Scholar and Astro fun again, making them easier was clearly a mistake...

but the devs thought, HAH no, overhaul and simplify ninja and give it big ninjutsu numbers!

The problem for Ninja Fixes Was Given
mudras Stacks and its own timer : nice fix. / But Made them Interrupt the Main Flow of Melee Combos. (Basically every 60 secs It will feel Clunky As heck the more you play you'll see.)
TCJ : nice Fix,
Bunshin : has been Fixed Nicely but Due to The mudras Being GCD it Conflicts with doing your combos and Mudras at the same time because now its impossible.

i Think the Biggest issue now is the actual opinion and wanting the class to play Like Ninja is Now out of the player base hands because its been Changed into New Job which Feels like Dnc with Its playstyle. but since there's so many players
jumping on the Bandwagon Censoring the opinion of people who original wanted problem fixed is now officially silenced that's why there's huge uproar in its Ninja community.