Viera and Hrothgar hair in patch 5.1?

[Dalmacus]

I'm excited to see the pvp headgear work for the races, but when they continue to release new gear/hairstyles for other races it's pretty clear viera/hrothgar are not as high a priority as the community would like them to be.

I'm pretty sure they is/were high priority as the art team went back and made 500 head gears just for the 2 new races weeks before 5.0 expansion without yoshi-p even knowing. If that is not what high priority as the community would like them to be i don't know what is.

[Raikai]

I'm pretty sure they is/were high priority as the art team went back and made 500 head gears just for the 2 new races weeks before 5.0 expansion without yoshi-p even knowing. If that is not what high priority as the community would like them to be i don't know what is.

You would expect a new race in a mmo to have access to the headgear just like any other race, unless of course, it's like a massive ailen head or something like that.

[DevilsDontFly]

Also about hair not being available, I know that Hroth is a whole different story because it's a lion's head... but Viera? It's practically an elezen with bunny ears on top of the head. Why they can't have - at least - the Modern Aesthetic hairstyles is way beyond my understanding.

They can. But since they were added with Hrothgar, Viera is an excuse to why femHroth isn't a thing, Hroth is an excuse to why MViera isn't a thing. SE can add things to Viera, but in order to do so they need to add something to Hroth as well since they count as "two genderlocked races that count as one". SE shoot themselves in the foot with Viera/Hroth interactions because now they can't develop one without considering the other. If they add more faces to Hroth and don't give anything to Viera it'll be bad. If they add old hairstyles to Viera while Hroth is so limited, it'll be bad.

It's a lose lose situation in which the ones "suffering" the consequences are the Viera and Hrothgar players.
As much as I'd like to stay positive, the reality of the situation is that either both Viera and Hrothgar gets equal amounts of updates and additions down the line, which is very unlikely considering how SE handles those kinds of things, or they'll both not get anything and stay as is probably until 6.0.

Highlanders still can't have proper eyebrows even though there's highlander NPCs with it. The idea of giving Derplander's benchmark beard to players went way over their heads for God knows what reason.
We still don't have unlocked Hempen outfits for all the races, some of the most iconic head pieces in the franchise through AF are not available for Hroth and Viera, etc.

I wouldn't get my hopes up when it comes to Hroth and Viera for at least the next six months. With luck I'll prove myself to be wrong, but eh, been playing this game for many years so the pattern starts to get easy to figure.

[DevilsDontFly]

Do you guys really need more hairstyles?? I mean, the ones you have look great. :v

Less about need more hairstyles and more among the lines of: If you're a Viera or Hroth and got the mogstation hairstyles in the past, you spent 45 dollars to now suddenly not be able to use it anymore. 60 if you play female because they have one extra hairstyle to use that is tied to a 15 bucks outfit.

[DamianFatale]

They can. But since they were added with Hrothgar, Viera is an excuse to why femHroth isn't a thing, Hroth is an excuse to why MViera isn't a thing. SE can add things to Viera, but in order to do so they need to add something to Hroth as well since they count as "two genderlocked races that count as one". SE shoot themselves in the foot with Viera/Hroth interactions because now they can't develop one without considering the other. If they add more faces to Hroth and don't give anything to Viera it'll be bad. If they add old hairstyles to Viera while Hroth is so limited, it'll be bad.

It's a lose lose situation in which the ones "suffering" the consequences are the Viera and Hrothgar players.
As much as I'd like to stay positive, the reality of the situation is that either both Viera and Hrothgar gets equal amounts of updates and additions down the line, which is very unlikely considering how SE handles those kinds of things, or they'll both not get anything and stay as is probably until 6.0.

Highlanders still can't have proper eyebrows even though there's highlander NPCs with it. The idea of giving Derplander's benchmark beard to players went way over their heads for God knows what reason.
We still don't have unlocked Hempen outfits for all the races, some of the most iconic head pieces in the franchise through AF are not available for Hroth and Viera, etc.

I wouldn't get my hopes up when it comes to Hroth and Viera for at least the next six months. With luck I'll prove myself to be wrong, but eh, been playing this game for many years so the pattern starts to get easy to figure.

I disagree. The Viera issue and the Hrothgar issue are two separate issues. I notice you playing a Miqote, so I have doubt that you understand the problem at large..

Hrothgar only get one hairstyle a face and you can't change it later on.

Viera get to change it to a variety of unique hairstyles at will, anytime they go to the aesthetician.

If they worked on the faces and made it so that hair wasn't tied to the face, and added as much hairs as the Viera, that wouldn't be unfair. Sure Viera players might whine, but they couldn't say it's unfair and that Hrothgar got more than them. In my honest opinion Hrothgar need to be fixed before the Viera get anymore changes.

[Callinon]

I can't tell if this is a serious comment or just a troll one....I'm not sure if you know this but "the ones you have look great" is entirely subjective.

Everything that guy posts is a troll. The world becomes a marginally better place if you put him on ignore.

[DevilsDontFly]

I disagree. The Viera issue and the Hrothgar issue are two separate issues. I notice you playing a Miqote, so I have doubt that you understand the problem at large..

What I tried to say and maybe I failed to make a point or you misunderstood is: If they add something new to one of the races, it's only fair to add something for the other. An update is an update, regardless of what it entails. If they add something extra for all the races but Hroth and Viera, it's an issue. If they include Hrothgar to the list and leave Viera as is, it's an issue. And if they do something in regards to Viera and leave Hrothgar out, it's an issue. They were added together, supposed to be the equivalent to one another for people that wanted to play the opposite gender. I'm not disagreeing with you, but they both are limited in their own way and I think they should be fixed together, because they were added together. And looking at it from a developer perspective, giving something to one but not the other will only further separate the two crowds. That's all.

Also just because my forum avatar is a Miqo'te character that doesn't mean I don't understand the issue and it also doesn't mean I don't play or never had a Hrothgar. I know what you're talking about just as much as you do.

Edit, because I realize this may have sounded aggressive in a way and that wasn't my intention. My tl;dr is basically that I agree with you, but I still don't think updates for those two races should be handled separately. Yes, giving more hairstyles to Hrothgar and making it not attached to the faces would honestly be great. But Viera only give the impression of having a lot of hairstyles. In reality they have 8 different hairstyles + a Bangs/no bangs version of them. Hrothgar also have 8, but attached to the face options.

[Iscah]

Jeez, man, why is my hair tied to my face to begin with? Where was the logic in that decision? Seriously?

The logic is that it was a compromise to make other things possible within the character creation template - specifically having fur with selectable patterns. Essentially their "selectable hairstyle with highlights and two colour settings" isn't on their head but spread across their fur patches.

It's not that they decided "we're not going to let players change their hairstyle" but that they (presumably) looked at the limited settings they had, asked "how can we make fur patterns work? ...maybe if we control it with the hairstyle slot? Being able to implement those unique customisation options will outweigh the loss of the standard ones."

The choice of patterns is still seriously lacking, though.

(Also personally I think their hair colour should draw from the fur highlights rather than the main colour, or use a mixture - it would contrast much better, and seems doable since Miqo'te tails can similarly use the highlight colour and not just the main one.)

[SecondRapture]

Do you guys really need more hairstyles?? I mean, the ones you have look great. :v

Man, are you serious? Your comment hurts so much, cause I need a stupid fantasia to change hairstyles on my hrothgar. I was miqo'te for 4+ years so got a huge ammount of hairstyles from Mog Station, pvp, raids, events and other activities. And this is the stupidest situation that now being a hrothgar I can't use even some of them. Yes, I'm not changing hairstyles that often but we need at least the opportunity to do that...
Ah, and don't forget that hrothgars have only 2 hairs for the one face type. And we don't have the option to choose even between them without spending real money. Noone asks devs to implement all hairstyles at once, but we wanna see they're at least working on that problem.
Same is about head gear...

It's not that they decided "we're not going to let players change their hairstyle" but that they (presumably) looked at the limited settings they had, asked "how can we make fur patterns work? ...maybe if we control it with the hairstyle slot? Being able to implement those unique customisation options will outweigh the loss of the standard ones."

It didn't work in my opinion... I simply don't understand how the choice of patterns could be a "better" choice even if they wanted to make things different with hrothgars.