The contempt for people with disabled people in this community really concerns me

[MrKusakabe]

Now you reach for a strawman to inflate a statement by acting like those people attacked disabled and handicapped people. That never happened, it's just the first thing one of the members here bring up stoically like Maude from the Simpsons shouting "Think of the children" everytime. Also, you mix up many valid complaints, and I just bring in my LoL example again: In League of Legends, people are afraid from the core game, so they play Coop vs AI games. These games are extremely easy and require nothing to win. Players get their free points for participating and "winning" and they feel so good and awesome. Then they join PvP and feed the heck out of the game, they then call everyone toxic (the irony is: They are by feeding) and ragequit.

The problem here is simple: You will have two clashing mindsets.

The one group of people that want to get trophy on the easiest way, they do not even bother to retry again but want to choose the way of the least resistance. The bonus you get on choosing "Very easy" is massive, it's in the patchnotes.

Many of you even say "They are not hard and you don't learn anything from them", so why do you want a difficulty selection then in the first place? Right, because you can't rely on your mates to carry you trough here for once. You get trough the instance on super easy - and in the next two quests, you will have a dungeon with no such bonnusses.

And here we clash with the players that do not give up quickly: Since you don't have 100% bonusses from the echo, you drop dead quickly, heals do not one-shot heal you anymore and the healer will most probably not take care of you as it happens in these solo instances where you could stand in everything and still survive and getting healed up quickly, so you are prone to die quickly and are not quite a help for your team. To go back quickly to LoL: I refused to carry one of these dudes myself and ALT+F4'ed a couple of days ago. Backseat-drivers from Coop-Vs-AI games are the worst to deal with and carry...

What can I expect from a player that chooses super easy but then sits in my party? I know you guys come up with mentally unstable people, children and all these things (man, we played much more difficult stuff on MegaDrive and NES as "children") as a way to shut down any voices against it, but that's just a cheap rhetorical way. I remember that I asked one person why he has such a bad German in a chatroom and the knee-jerk reaction was: "I have dyslexia" (No, he actually did not, he just CBA).

Also, when I struggled with my Red Mage final quest that I retried 4 times because I failed to see the what X'rhun did, and that I reset the fight by myself once etc. I was buying new equipment and tried again. In one run I even turned off the echo because I always know the developers want me to beat it. I eventually made it, and I actually learned a bit from that instance - The use of Displacement in the right moment.

So yes, I think waving people trough content that was designed to be beatable in the first place is not a good thing, and a very, very small percentage of the overall playerbase is "disabled". I start to understand why people use parsers if this permanent excusing is going on in the dungeons: To find the one culprit and replace him. Imagine you ask that person what the matter is and they play the "I am disabled" card left and right.....


If you are a slow learner, you should NOT use the easiest way then, no? You don't learn anything by skipping that instance..


Sincerely,

[yasmo]

Now you reach for a strawman to inflate a statement by acting like those people attacked disabled and handicapped people. That never happened[...]

I don't think OP ever said people were attacking the disabled, moreso saying they saw people say things along the lines of "if you can't complete a solo duty, you don't deserve to progress". Even if it's not intentional there's an implication that people with disabilities shouldn't be allowed to keep playing because that is oft the type of person who has difficulty completing solo duties.

Many of you even say "They are not hard and you don't learn anything from them", so why do you want a difficulty selection then in the first place? Right, because you can't rely on your mates to carry you trough here for once. You get trough the instance on super easy - and in the next two quests, you will have a dungeon with no such bonnusses.

Are people forgetting how early you do solo instances? You have to do like, two, maybe three of them before even hitting Sastasha. What is there to be carried through up until then? If for whatever reason someone is failing every solo duty up to that point and using the super easy mode they'll very quickly learn group content plays completely different, not by the time they hit Shadowbringers endgame.

And here we clash with the players that do not give up quickly: Since you don't have 100% bonusses from the echo, you drop dead quickly, heals do not one-shot heal you anymore and the healer will most probably not take care of you as it happens in these solo instances where you could stand in everything and still survive and getting healed up quickly, so you are prone to die quickly and are not quite a help for your team

...Which brings me to my next point: who out there is going to confuse solo duty difficulty with party content past level 20?

So yes, I think waving people trough content that was designed to be beatable in the first place is not a good thing, and a very, very small percentage of the overall playerbase is "disabled"[...] Imagine you ask that person what the matter is and they play the "I am disabled" card left and right.....

So because a small percentage of the playerbase is disabled they shouldn't be allowed to progress and play the game? Only a small percentage of players even attempt Ultimate fights, should the game stop making them? Catering to a niche isn't a crime, lmao.

Also, I'm hoping this is a general statement you aren't directing at OP but regardless implying that people will be "play[ing] the 'I am disabled' card" is an iffy thing to say. Considering the outright contempt people have for those with disabilities in real life I really doubt people will start using it an an "excuse" en masse.

[HeulGDarian]

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Im not going to take a stance on this since i myself havent seen any hate against people with disabilities , further more there are people with disabilities that have reached university kind of education and not only that its the internet everyone hates each other equally .


BUT i will say this . you are intentionally misintrepating what that guy answered to op in order to make him look like what the op said is absolutely true. If you just want to spread hate between 2 different points of view just cause you want to make yourself look good piss right off cause all your points are misinformed and you yourself are a horrible troll

[yasmo]

Im not going to take a stance on this since i myself havent seen any hate against people with disabilities , further more there are people with disabilities that have reached university kind of education and not only that its the internet everyone hates each other equally .


BUT i will say this . you are intentionally misintrepating what that guy answered to op in order to make him look like what the op said is absolutely true. If you just want to spread hate between 2 different points of view just cause you want to make yourself look good piss right off cause all your points are misinformed and you yourself are a horrible troll

I'm not exactly trying to spread war between the two opposing viewpoints here, I'm completely open to a civil discussion about this. I don't mean to be nasty or say this issue is entirely black & white, and I do sympathize with people concerned about general player competency on the other side! But I'm really confused as to what I did to make you think I'm trolling, honest to god...?

As for misinterpreting his points-- I apologize if that was the case. Not to put the burden of proof on you or anything, but I would appreciate it if it was pointed out as to what I may have misinterpreted or read incorrectly into what he said.

[SendohJin]

Why do you regularly assume anyone disagreeing with you is against disabled people and/or elitist ?

because people say stuff like this

If you are a slow learner, you should NOT use the easiest way then, no? You don't learn anything by skipping that instance..

some people aren't just slow learners, they just can't do any better. their objective isn't to learn anything it's to get through it to get to the next part.

[Rokke]

because people say stuff like this
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some people aren't just slow learners, they just can't do any better. their objective isn't to learn anything it's to get through it to get to the next part.

Pretty much any game with more player control than a slot machine is going to have some kind of learning curve, be it a side scroller, a fighting game, a turn based jrpg, etc. Setting the game to easy mode will still require you to press 123 while avoiding orange markers. Progressing past 123 while avoiding orange markers will lead to pressing 1234 while avoiding orange markers, to 12345 while avoiding orange markers, and so on.

OP is lv 80, is done with SHB, and has some savage clears under his belt. His assumption that the forum’s disdain for lowering the difficulty further equates disdain for people who have learning disabilities like himself is a strawman at best. This thread is the equivalent to karma farming on reddit, complete with a clickbait title.