Where is 1.20B, Is 1.21 going to be late?

[Biggs]

So what we're wanting here is for them to release more things incomplete, like the launch of this game? Considering how well that worked the first time surely it will be ok this time right? Right?

I think the only thing most of us want is info about the timed release of content THEY GAVE US A SCHEDULE FOR. If you bought tickets to the opera and got a program saying the show starts at six, and they didn't go on until 9, but no one came out and said a word about the delay, I am pretty sure you would be more than a little pissed. Things get delayed and pushed back on large projects like this, that part I get. But don't wait until the day before its due or even the day of to come out and tell us to keep waiting, its rude.

[Jennestia]

So I am confused. Are the white nights the people that want the game to do well? And trolls are the people that hate this game but play it anyway? Or did I get that backwards?

Could care less when 1.20b drops, if ever. Just hoping 1.21 stays on track

Yep, not to mention its funny how the ones who call people white knights are generally the ones that are doing the defending -- as in they continually defend their stance that SE is doing a poor job every time they do something.

Like that old saying:

"If you accuse your lover of cheating chances are it's because it's you who's doing the cheating."

[Cichy]

I think the only thing most of us want is info about the timed release of content THEY GAVE US A SCHEDULE FOR. If you bought tickets to the opera and got a program saying the show starts at six, and they didn't go on until 9, but no one came out and said a word about the delay, I am pretty sure you would be more than a little pissed. Things get delayed and pushed back on large projects like this, that part I get. But don't wait until the day before its due or even the day of to come out and tell us to keep waiting, its rude.

Exactly, but also they got pretty good idea that the thing is going to be pushed back so instead of telling you "oh, sorry the opera will start the earliest at 9" they leave you in the dark or give you a arbitrary answer. Yoshi could say "We're working on 1.20b, letter, poll but they will be released earliest next week maybe later," that's fine, I got no problem with straight up answers. However, "we're working on the next patch and stuff" answer is just annoying. Obviously they are working on that, I have no doubt 1.20b gonna be released or next producer letter, but it's gonna happen when it's gonna happen answer is good as nothing.

[Biggs]

Exactly, but also they got pretty good idea that the thing is going to be pushed back so instead of telling you "oh, sorry the opera will start the earliest at 9" they leave you in the dark or give you a arbitrary answer. Yoshi could say "We're working on 1.20b, letter, poll but they will be released earliest next week maybe later," that's fine, I got no problem with straight up answers. However, "we're working on the next patch and stuff" answer is just annoying. Obviously they are working on that, I have no doubt 1.20b gonna be released or next producer letter, but it's gonna happen when it's gonna happen answer is good as nothing.

Reinheart made a good point in another thread. Yoshi has been posting updates over the last 2 weeks in the Japanese forums, just not in the ENglish ones. After reading some of the stuff thats said in our forums, I can't say I am at all suprised he gave up talking to us lol. Typical example:

"SE needs to hurry up"
"Se should take their time, your stupid"
"No YOUR stupid and your Mom is fat. "
"You can't say that about my MOm even if she is! Back when I was playing FFXI, Noone would have EVER said anything about my Mom like that'
"OMG! You played FFXI, your such a Fanboy!"........
"Shut up troll! No one cares what you think!"
blah, blah, blah "Why haven't we heard anything about the next patch yet!"

[Picoman]

One could argue that, now that we are paying for this game, delays should be seen as MORE important and harmful to the community than before, not less. I mean, a patch delay here, then a few more there, pretty soon 2.0 gets pushed back until the middle of 2013. No big deal though, right?

Its a tough spot to be in, most MMO's dont have half the community waiting anxiously for the next patch to come because they are busy playing a game with plenty to do.

That is assuming the 2.0 team is the same as the 1.0 team. I remember at release reading that there was a launch team of 140. In one of the interviews Yoshi-P did he mentioned there are now 250 on the team. Of course there will be cross-over between the two teams but i don't think Goobbue mounts are taking up 2.0 resources.

[neizero]

So I am confused. Are the white nights the people that want the game to do well? And trolls are the people that hate this game but play it anyway? Or did I get that backwards?

I think it is safe to assume everybody who is still in this forum wants the game to do well, in their own way, or they wouldn't throw away their money on it.

The difference is some people can enjoy the game AND criticise and complain to help make the game better, and some others will defend SE no matter what they do, to the point of denying obvious facts (like most patches to date being late). If it was for the "white knight" type, we would still be running 15 man parties with random SP gains and silly fatigue systems...

[Yelta_Sumasu]

While I am not worried about 1.20b and 1.21, it would be nice to have an estimate from the devs.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I think it is safe to assume everybody who is still in this forum wants the game to do well, in their own way, or they wouldn't throw away their money on it.

The difference is some people can enjoy the game AND criticise and complain to help make the game better, and some others will defend SE no matter what they do, to the point of denying obvious facts (like most patches to date being late). If it was for the "white knight" type, we would still be running 15 man parties with random SP gains and silly fatigue systems...

A lot of people say this, and it's the same people bashing every shit they can. Like..threat meter ? level icon ? A lot of things. There's a limit on what you can criticize, and how. Goobbue mount meter it's still here, and it's the pinnacle of harrasment of this forum. Never seen so much personal attack like in that topic, at the point 2 entire moderators comed to make it stop.
also nei, this "white knight here, white knight there" it's getting old and offensive. I lost count how much times you said in this topic.

[Norack]

Didn't realize November was a 40 day month and December was only 21 days, Someone tell Santa clause he needs to re think this whole christmas thing, u know just when he does it cause that day doesn't exist

[Elexia]

I think it is safe to assume everybody who is still in this forum wants the game to do well, in their own way, or they wouldn't throw away their money on it.

The difference is some people can enjoy the game AND criticise and complain to help make the game better, and some others will defend SE no matter what they do, to the point of denying obvious facts (like most patches to date being late). If it was for the "white knight" type, we would still be running 15 man parties with random SP gains and silly fatigue systems...

Then there's people who don't know the difference between given an actual release date and a release time frame, which is why people like you say someone denies something even though anyone with a brain knows only patch 1.18 has been delayed beyond it's release time frame.

By the way, no one defended the Fatigue system, if you're going to troll and create your own definition of a white knight, at least make sure it makes sense lol.