How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[Deceptus]

According to LL:
Longer duration on Reprisal and it's also AoE now (10s duration).
15s on 2 minute defensives instead of 10 (Sentinel, Shadow Wall etc.)
Longer duration on Holmgang for WAR.

aka more defensive buffs. You know, tanks being more tanky, which is their stated objective.

Ya'll need to go through the grieving process and join us healers in therapy. You're not Blue DPS anymore. We're not Green DPS anymore. SE has a different vision than you do. Just accept it and move on.

[Quor]

aka more defensive buffs. You know, tanks being more tanky, which is their stated objective.

Ya'll need to go through the grieving process and join us healers in therapy. You're not Blue DPS anymore. We're not Green DPS anymore. SE has a different vision than you do. Just accept it and move on.

There's no grieving here, not from me anyway. Tanks should tank, healers should heal. Dealing damage, when possible, is a nice secondary or tertiary priority, but should absolutely not be a place of focus for the role.

[BarretOblivion]

There's no grieving here, not from me anyway. Tanks should tank, healers should heal. Dealing damage, when possible, is a nice secondary or tertiary priority, but should absolutely not be a place of focus for the role.

Well tanking is crap right now. Its not very engaging to play as one tank gets something interesting to do... while the other kinda just watches. Again, makes me question why SE doesn't just make it 1 tank and 5 dps at this point. This patch for tanks was for the most part a swing and a miss. Besides WAR it was a patch for tanks that struggle in dungeons and groups that can't kill adds quickly. That was the tank update... and I distinctly remember them saying they would buff GNB mitigation... cause its still kinda crap for themselves compared to all the other tanks, but its... passable.

[Lyth]

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This is correct and well explained. You actually see this dps effect partially in E1S, where the boss does a long intermission animation in order to give players time to refill their coffees.

The changes to cooldown durations probably have something to do with ultimate, but I wish that they'd just remove invulns altogether.

[Lastelli]

There's no grieving here, not from me anyway. Tanks should tank, healers should heal. Dealing damage, when possible, is a nice secondary or tertiary priority, but should absolutely not be a place of focus for the role.

That's not how this game works. As long as DPS is the (only) variable directly affecting kill times (or dictating whether you can clear an encounter at all because of dps checks), total rDPS>everything else. Tanking and healing are important because they allow the party to maximize DPS (by not letting other players die -> a dead player deals 0 damage), but this also means that tanks and healers should do everything they can to maximize their own personal damage. And it also means that DPS should do everything they can to let healers and tanks maximize their DPS (avoid damage when possible, use defensive support skills and so on) while maximizing theirs.

Players that don't understand the simple concept that skill in this game is measured by the ability to maximize the rDPS of the whole party either directly or indirectly are doomed to mediocrity.

[Shurrikhan]

There's no grieving here, not from me anyway. Tanks should tank, healers should heal. Dealing damage, when possible, is a nice secondary or tertiary priority, but should absolutely not be a place of focus for the role.

Unless that's the limit of their responsibilities, that's all rather irrelevant, a bit like saying that a rocket scientist "should breathe".

And, it's not the limit. It's not even close to the majority.

Tanking and healing are the smallest part of the actions of tanks and healers. While it is quite possible that they could well be enforced as mandatory even if they dealt zero damage, only an average of some 3 actions per minutes on the part of a tank are separate from dealing damage. The remainder is damage optimization. For healers, that's maybe 4-10 actions per minute of actual healing. Again, the remainder is damage optimization, as braindead as that may be to perform.

[Nedkel]

Maybe in future we will be able to finish content while pressing few buttons and watching youtube on second screen. Hehehe

[Rhais]

Maybe in future we will be able to finish content while pressing few buttons and watching youtube on second screen. Hehehe

Probably what some people are already doing. After seeing SE reduce tanks responsibilities through reduction or near removal of the role specific mechanics I think the "tanks should tank" crowd knows SE isn't going to make tank specific tasks have more depth, or make them more challenging. And they are fine with that, and only argue for it because they know it isn't going to happen.
However if tanks ended up having a larger percentage of party DPS it might mean they would have to put in a little more effort, they like their low impact role and don't want to be responsible for doing anymore.

[Freyyy]

There's no grieving here, not from me anyway. Tanks should tank, healers should heal. Dealing damage, when possible, is a nice secondary or tertiary priority, but should absolutely not be a place of focus for the role.

Yeah of course, that's why the vast majority of tanks' toolkits are pure damaging moves with no other purposes.

[Kabooa]

Players that don't understand the simple concept that skill in this game is measured by the ability to maximize the rDPS of the whole party either directly or indirectly are doomed to mediocrity.

Yet this thread exists not because players understand that concept, but because they feel like they don't do enough. They don't seek to expand anything. The just want to add 1 to their leading digit.