Dear SE, stop homogenizing jobs

[Eothas]

They will stop homogenizing when people stop crying and excluding other jobs from PF because there is a 2.7% or whatever difference in DPS from the meta composition. Anyone remembers WHM in 3.5, Zurvan patch? PF almost completely locked WHM out in favor of AST players, even though WHMs were completely capable of clearing that fight and likely with higher clear rates because there was a bunch of bad AST players at the time.

IMO they do a pretty good job while doing that level of balancing for this kind of gameplay (Savage/Ultimate raiding, i.e.: DPS matters and very strict rotations most of the time). I don't know any other MMO that has savage+ level of raiding, decent balance and very defined and different jobs and class fantasies, all at the same time, seems pretty unrealistic to me.

WoW classic? Not even close, raiding is pretty much a joke. Mages just need to spam frost bolt for optimal rotation, maybe some wanding in between. Some specs are outright excluded from raiding because of poor balance. Is it fun? Yeah, it can be, but there's no way it would work in FFXIV. WoW retail? Lol. Old School MMOs like EQ and Ragnarok Online? Completely different gameplay.

I do think the dev team can do a better job, specially when I think about the old and current Scholar kit but feels like some people here are having unrealistic expectations or are still in the honeymoon phase with WoW Classic.

[Mavrias]

They will stop homogenizing when people stop crying and excluding other jobs from PF because there is a 2.7% or whatever difference in DPS from the meta composition. Anyone remembers WHM in 3.5, Zurvan patch? PF almost completely locked WHM out in favor of AST players, even though WHMs were completely capable of clearing that fight and likely with higher clear rates because there was a bunch of bad AST players at the time.

IMO they do a pretty good job while doing that level of balancing for this kind of gameplay (Savage/Ultimate raiding, i.e.: DPS matters and very strict rotations most of the time). I don't know any other MMO that has savage+ level of raiding, decent balance and very defined and different jobs and class fantasies, all at the same time, seems pretty unrealistic to me.

WoW classic? Not even close, raiding is pretty much a joke. Mages just need to spam frost bolt for optimal rotation, maybe some wanding in between. Some specs are outright excluded from raiding because of poor balance. Is it fun? Yeah, it can be, but there's no way it would work in FFXIV. WoW retail? Lol. Old School MMOs like EQ and Ragnarok Online? Completely different gameplay.

I do think the dev team can do a better job, specially when I think about the old and current Scholar kit but feels like some people here are having unrealistic expectations or are still in the honeymoon phase with WoW Classic.

The simplest way for you to not be "excluded" from PF parties is to make your own, instead of complaining about how speedkill/ parse party leaders do things.

[Eothas]

The simplest way for you to not be "excluded" from PF parties is to make your own, instead of complaining about how speedkill/ parse party leaders do things.

This is completely irrelevant. It's not about me, parser or logs, lol. It's about a portion of the community that sees the meta comp as the only possibly good comp to simply CLEAR things in a PUG, while not realizing that PUGs are completely different from a streamer's static environment. Either the devs will tend to homogenize certain jobs due to that or reddit will be spammed with "delete X job" threads while making that job's players waste a ton of time trying to form a group.