Dear SE, stop homogenizing jobs

[Siete]

The great obliteration of World of Warcraft classes came with raid-oriented class balance.
Look at them, they used to be the strongest MMO out there now they're down the sinkhole, DEAD.

So yeah, if Final Fantasy is going the WoW way with class design and balance around raids, it will share the same fate and die.

[Shyngo]

The great obliteration of World of Warcraft classes came with raid-oriented class balance.
Look at them, they used to be the strongest MMO out there now they're down the sinkhole, DEAD.

So yeah, if Final Fantasy is going the WoW way with class design and balance around raids, it will share the same fate and die.

^^This.

And the worst of it is, this game doesn't focus on it's raiding community at all,we get only 4 "weekly-reset trials" per tier, no true raid dungeon, with bosses always on squares/circle arenas. But hey, at least classes are balanced, right?.

BA was more of a raid over everything else we have so far.

[Rockette]

^^This.

And the worst of it is, this game doesn't focus on it's raiding community at all,we get only 4 "weekly-reset trials" per tier, no true raid dungeon, with bosses always on squares/circle arenas. But hey, at least classes are balanced, right?.

BA was more of a raid over everything else we have so far.

BA was an amazing instance that was fun and engaging and utterly implemented in the worst way possible. The stress of the portals far outshone anything else I first think of when someone mentions BA.

[linay]

^^This.

And the worst of it is, this game doesn't focus on it's raiding community at all,we get only 4 "weekly-reset trials" per tier, no true raid dungeon, with bosses always on squares/circle arenas. But hey, at least classes are balanced, right?.

BA was more of a raid over everything else we have so far.

The number players per raid party matters more than the number or type of raids. When there are only 8 spots to fill, balance matters more because it can determine which job doesn't get taken.

[Siete]

The number players per raid party matters more than the number or type of raids. When there are only 8 spots to fill, balance matters more because it can determine which job doesn't get taken.

Just give a party buff for different classes taken or something.

[linay]

Just give a party buff for different classes taken or something.

So you're advocating for the disassociation between job gameplay and job contribution?

[Reyna_Balmore]

Agreed, besides the DPS Role, there's very little variance between the jobs in the Tank / Healer role. Tank being the worst offender..... IMO (In my opinion)

[Nemmar]

The great obliteration of World of Warcraft classes came with raid-oriented class balance.
Look at them, they used to be the strongest MMO out there now they're down the sinkhole, DEAD.

So yeah, if Final Fantasy is going the WoW way with class design and balance around raids, it will share the same fate and die.

It might be a tad bit of an exaggeration to say WoW died.

The problem with WoW is not the class balance or homogenization (which i disagree with btw. I don't think there is homogenization in WoW and very little here in FF), it's how simple specs are, with rotations typically taking 3-4 buttons. FF is in the opposite of that spectrum. That and their end-game infinite grind/RNG systems that burn people out. That is what is wrong with WoW and why people are leaving.

So, my point to the OP would be to give me examples of what this homogenization is for you and where do you see it. The only place where i see a bit is on Tanks/healers/dps having those role specific skills that are the same for everyone.

[Siete]

It might be a tad bit of an exaggeration to said WoW died.

The problem with WoW is not the class balance or homogenization (which i disagree with btw. I don't think there is homogenization in WoW and very little here in FF), it's how simple specs are, with rotations typically taking 3-4 buttons. FF is in the opposite of that spectrum. That and their end-game infinite grind/RNG systems that burn people out. That is what is wrong with WoW and why people are leaving.

So, my point to the OP would be to give me examples of what this homogenization is for you and where do you see it. The only place where i see a bit is on Tanks/healers/dps having those role specific skills that are the same for everyone.

All classes in WoW are the same.
Press 1 for filler
Press 2 to reapply dot
Press 3 to use a cooldown or "charge" skill
Press 4 for the proc

It's a literal calculator simulator game.

[Nemmar]

All classes in WoW are the same.
Press 1 for filler
Press 2 to reapply dot
Press 3 to use a cooldown or "charge" skill
Press 4 for the proc

It's a literal calculator simulator game.

That is really an oversimplification in my opinion. Many specs don't even have dots and several don't even have procs. I really don't want to defend their specs, cause i find them simplistic and boring. But i wouldn't say they are all the same, cause that is not how they feel to me.

But this logic is like saying all melee have a 123 combo in FF. Well, they do. But they have different effects and more combos depending on the job. It's a simplistic way to look at it. But, it is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.