New Mentor requirements

[PyurBlue]

Actually it does. Savage content isn't included in the Mentor Roulette, and isn't required for it as well.

If people don't know things like how to LB3 as a healer.. I'm not even going to take a chance at teaching them how to do stuff like this:

You're not making much sense. Why do new NN players not know how to use LB by default? They could know the basics but not savage. Also Mentor Roulette isn't required for Mentor in the first place, it's not really relevant.

Savage includes content that needs to be learned over a period of time for those who aren't use to it. You can't just go in and clear it without knowing what you are getting into, even if you have watched a guide, and know what's coming.

Which makes NN great for it. The players in it are there for a long time. Like I said before though, mentoring savage isn't about clears. It's about helping people learn the fight. I don't go into practice PF's expecting clears. I go in expecting wipes.

This is how bad advice starts infecting the community, like healers not DPSing. Bad mentors giving bad advice to bad or new players, making sure that they stay bad players.

What bad advice? You're sort of implying that if someone has savage questions in NN, they shouldn't be given advice. Telling people how endgame works is far, far away from bad advice.

[Hash_Browns]

You're not making much sense. Why do new NN players not know how to use LB by default? They could know the basics but not savage. Also Mentor Roulette isn't required for Mentor in the first place, it's not really relevant.

I'm using LBing as an example.

Which makes NN great for it. The players in it are there for a long time. Like I said before though, mentoring savage isn't about clears. It's about helping people learn the fight. I don't go into practice PF's expecting clears. I go in expecting wipes.

You aren't going to get much practice. You would learn almost nothing.

What bad advice? You're sort of implying that if someone has savage questions in NN, they shouldn't be given advice. Telling people how endgame works is far, far away from bad advice.

Savage content & the NN shouldn't be together at all. You shouldn't be asking for theory crafting information in the NN. A tiny % of the community clears savage. If savage advice is going to be handed there, savage then should be a requirement, not just to hand out the adivce, but also to be a PvE mentor.

I can't wait to go into my NN and ask for Ultimate advice though. That makes sense.

The problem here is that both of us aren't in agreement on what a novice is, or what a mentor is..

You seem to think mentoring shouldn't require being all the great a player, but it's ok to mentor savage content. As it stands right now mentors have a bad stigma due to how easy it is to become a mentor, which is why savage, ultimate, EX, and mentors shouldn't mix.

The normal content for the story? perfect. It's easy to teach. Mistakes don't mean you can't clear, and it's fun - but once you cross that threshold where "if you don't do this = party wipe," ya - newer players shouldn't be doing that.

[HyperiusUltima]

The normal content for the story? perfect. It's easy to teach. Mistakes don't mean you can't clear, and it's fun - but once you cross that threshold where "if you don't do this = party wipe," ya - newer players shouldn't be doing that.

Basically Nidhogg, Tsukuyomi, Shinryu...pretty much a good bit of the Stormblood Primals that enforce that which are mandatory. Also in Shadowbringers, Innocence doesn't play around since he has an enrage timer at his Add Phase. Regardless, even the Shadowbringers final boss(not going to say here because SPOILERS) has some stuff people need to pay attention to. As for dungeons, I want to say that most dungeons aren't really a threat, but also newer players are going to struggle a LOT after Ghimlyt Dark considering the difficulty spike for those unprepared or don't know what they're doing.

[PyurBlue]

I'm using LBing as an example.

An example to make a point right? I'm responding to the point, I'm not particularly interested in LB outside of the fact that you brought it up as your example. Why are people asking questions in the NN at the level where [they don't understand LB] by default? That isn't necessarily true. People with raiding experience end up in NN as novices sometimes under the returner tag. Novice encompasses a wide range of skill levels and in game experience. This means that raid discussions in NN don't have to be anything like explaining Savage mechanics to level 15's.

You aren't going to get much practice. You would learn almost nothing.

It's no different from a practice party in the PF, except there might be more chance of the same group trying again. At the very least it's better than just watching a guide and getting no practice.

Savage content & the NN shouldn't be together at all. You shouldn't be asking for theory crafting information in the NN. A tiny % of the community clears savage. If savage advice is going to be handed there, savage then should be a requirement, not just to hand out the adivce, but also to be a PvE mentor.

Let's get back to the question I was asking. If a player in NN asks for raid advice, and there is a qualified mentor in NN who can provide an answer, what should happen? Should that player be ignored? Trying to keep raid discussions out of NN might not even be feasible. The qualification requirement is also kind of self imposed. People who don't raid usually don't answer those questions, although it's true that bad advice may sometimes slip through.

I can't wait to go into my NN and ask for Ultimate advice though. That makes sense.

No it doesn't. It's more like someone finds their way into NN, and while there they progress to the point of asking questions on high end content over time.

The problem here is that both of us aren't in agreement on what a novice is, or what a mentor is..

You seem to think mentoring shouldn't require being all the great a player, but it's ok to mentor savage content. As it stands right now mentors have a bad stigma due to how easy it is to become a mentor, which is why savage, ultimate, EX, and mentors shouldn't mix.

Mentor and novice have definitions in the game already though. You're saying a novice can't exist past level 50. The game says they can. The mentor system is free form, like I said before. It's fine to have ideas on how to improve it, but it works a certain way already.

The normal content for the story? perfect. It's easy to teach. Mistakes don't mean you can't clear, and it's fun - but once you cross that threshold where "if you don't do this = party wipe," ya - newer players shouldn't be doing that.

You don't need to get to the endgame to reach that point.