That ToS update that ruffled some jimmies a few months ago

[Mistyregions]

It will always baffle me how communication is so touchy and fiercely regulated in an MMO.

Honestly? I'll say it, they never learned social skills. Period, no one ever taught them or they never interacted with a enormous amount of people. If they did, we would not have half the problems we do. For those of you have worked with thousands of people you know what I mean, you cant let kevin get to you, it's not a personal attack, and you dont need to let it hurt your feelings.

[SerLuke]

think of the Captain Marvel actress openly saying she doesn't want "old white men" to see her movie... yeah we all know how that went at the boxoffice xD

Not what she said just what the click bait bloggers made it out to be. Also I wasn’t aware $1.1 billion is considered bad at the box office these days, what’s the new standard? $2 billion?

[Mistyregions]

Lately we've seen companies and celebreties pulling a lot of virtue signalling stunts that backfired horribly... think of the Captain Marvel actress openly saying she doesn't want "old white men" to see her movie... yeah we all know how that went at the boxoffice xD Or Gillette loosing like 8 billion USD net worth after slandering 95% of their customerbase simply for being male xD
The first generation of snowflakes is now out of universities, got jobs at mayor companies, influencing their course (and costing them a lot of money in the process until they get fired ^^). So yeah, companies alienating and driving away their customers for no other reason than virtue signalling is an actual thing these days.

I mean it's a tale as old as time, as the pendulum of power swings, the ones who cry for freedom and claim to fight against discrimination, turn coat. The oppressed become the opressors as the pendulum swings, it's not about morality, it's about power. They use morality and ethics to hide their true intent to gain control.

[Mistyregions]

Oh, yikes.

I'll have to do some research before I weigh in any. Thanks for the tip!

I like this guy.

[Anatha]

Words are weapons. Claiming otherwise is essentially nothing more than a cry for "zero accountability". Your window for having no responsibility closed a looong time ago. Most grown out of that phase by or before 10 years of age.

Freedom from consequence does not exist in society. It does not exist in game, it does not exist here, it exists nowhere. A world without consequence requires a world with no one else in it.

Learn accountability and you will find civility is an easy task for you to accomplish. Develop empathy and you'll find you naturally treat people considerately.

You have those two things and you won't whine about how difficult it is to get away with bad behavior.

[Sated]

Rules and punishments for toxicity should absolutely exist and be enforced, but they clearly need to be more specific or companies will abuse it for personal gain.

[Canadane]

You can be a jerk, just be polite and nice while doing so.
Be kind to each other ╰(*´︶`*)╯♡

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I guess this would be a bad time to remind people of when a player got reported for standing on the empty plot of a house still for sale (under the random timer) and who wasn't engaging with the people who were trying to buy the plot, merely talking with their FC/linkshell. And the GM humored that report. This happened even before the change to the ToS. If you don't believe me, just look for it on Reddit.

But I guess only jerks and those who lack accountability, civility and empathy get reported by the report trigger-happy crowd.

[CookiesNCreams]

I guess this would be a bad time to remind people of when a player got reported for standing on the empty plot of a house still for sale (under the random timer) and who wasn't engaging with the people who were trying to buy the plot, merely talking with their FC/linkshell. And the GM humored that report. This happened even before the change to the ToS. If you don't believe me, just look for it on Reddit.

But I guess only jerks and those who lack accountability, civility and empathy get reported by the report trigger-happy crowd.

Good point, haha. I never really understood the significance of the whole house rule stuff. If they find it’s such a big deal, just implement instanced housing like everyone asks?

Also, it’s quite sad seeing someone above literally just prove my point after I was not being hostile at all in this thread. I think it’s usually him and another Mateus player from what I remember.

Final Fantasy XIV would be absolute chaos if the game was like the forums, due to toxicity and grudges. If anyone remembers PlayStation home or second life, it would be just like that.

[Saefinn]

On the one hand you got an event hosted and broadcast by Blizzard to promote their game and a player used this as a political platform (rightly or wrongly) . Blizzard, who are not a politically affiliated organisation who are not out to promote any political positions. Maybe in their eyes doing nothing would have been seen as them showing bias to a political cause (again rightly or wrongly). It could be the old thing of if they allow him to get away with it, how many others will try to use their platform to spread political messages? What happens if they let a certain amount get away with it and then put their foot down just before it gets out of hand? Then it will seem they're holding a bias to certain political views or against certain political views and them being unfair. It's probably just easier to say "none of it is okay" when their platform arguably is about their game and not promoting any causes. I expect the guy who did it was fully prepared for the consequence of being banned, he probably thought it was worth it, especially now how publicity it has got as a result and that if anything, he's achieved his goal and more.

On the other you've got a statement that SE will take more steps to enforce a TOS, pointing to rules which are quite normal for an online community, which has nothing to do with snowflakes. Having moderated communities with people who definitely aren't snowflakes, there is still some reasonable expected level of behavior. When people act out, we would do something about it, immediate ban is not the first course of action unless it is that severe.

This is not 4chan or the YouTube comments section where anything goes.

Neither situation is comparable.