Yoshi-P confirms no re-release of past Feast Rewards

[Araxes]

youre right...



LONE WOLF COAT COMING AT YOUR NEAREST MOGSTATION, POP THEM BOTTLES BOIS, THERES STILL HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!

No, its mine and youll never get it. (Eaglebeak is better BTW cause it has a wayyyy better dye pattern.)

[Noitems]

I wonder if by the old rewards he means specifically THOSE mounts and not a recolor. My initial thoughts till confirmation would be to have those colors specifically for the Top 100 but reuse the model with a different color be a collar reward since they tend to do many recolors for mounts like the Nodes and Avengers.

I do respect his decision though. There are mounts like the Magna Roader on there that I FREAKING LOVE but I can accept I'll never get since I wasn't playing at the time and that's all on me. I'm glad those that earned them do not have their achievements be nulled.

I'm excited to finally try ranked feast when the next season comes out so I can hope for the best and do my best.

[Nalien]

This is good news, not least of which because Yoshida never goes back on what he says in interviews.

We accept it for 1.x players having limited time mounts and things because they played technically a different game at a time

You know PvP is subject to fairly wild balance changes? The first 4 seasons are really nothing like the following 9, for example. Essentially people that played those seasons played a different game, as you put it, which makes;

I'd like the old feast rewards to come back for equal work.

Fairly difficult to implement. Next to impossible, I'd say. You could argue they could implement 3.x PvP again for the sole purpose of letting people earn those old rewards, but that completely ignores the competitive element of PvP. You simply cannot recreate the conditions of Feast Season 3 again in order to let people "put equal work" into obtain the Hellhound mount, because I'm fairly certain SE cannot force everyone who played in those season to come back and put an equal amount of time and effort into it. Anything short of that is not putting the same amount of work in, and when you factor in something like the Data Center split as well, all future seasons are significantly easier to place, so the idea of letting someone just forego whatever crappy reward Season 15 has so they can pick up a Season 1 reward? It's laughable. Placing in Season 15 is not the same as placing in Season 1.

Season rewards are effectively trophies for that season. To offer them in any other season undermines their purpose as such. You want a general reward for participation, you have the Wolf Collar weapons. SE should add more new items to that, if anything.

[Squintina]

Fairly difficult to implement. Next to impossible, I'd say. You could argue they could implement 3.x PvP again for the sole purpose of letting people earn those old rewards, but that completely ignores the competitive element of PvP. You simply cannot recreate the conditions of Feast Season 3 again in order to let people "put equal work" into obtain the Hellhound mount, because I'm fairly certain SE cannot force everyone who played in those season to come back and put an equal amount of time and effort into it. Anything short of that is not putting the same amount of work in, and when you factor in something like the Data Center split as well, all future seasons are significantly easier to place, so the idea of letting someone just forego whatever crappy reward Season 15 has so they can pick up a Season 1 reward? It's laughable. Placing in Season 15 is not the same as placing in Season 1.

Fair enough. You make some good points. I still think mine would be acceptable, and I've seen people who have earned those feast rewards say they'd like such things because it means that people who aren't interested in a current Feast reward would still have a reason to play a season.

But it's still silly that only PVP gets this reverence. They have no problem letting PVE mounts that people spent hours and hours farming become easier over time. Heck right now you can buy a HW mount that was a pain in the butt at the time by just doing a few completely unrelated things to get 50 tomes.

If that's a policy they're going to have, they should be more consistent within the game.

[Noitems]

But it's still silly that only PVP gets this reverence. They have no problem letting PVE mounts that people spent hours and hours farming become easier over time. Heck right now you can buy a HW mount that was a pain in the butt at the time by just doing a few completely unrelated things to get 50 tomes.

If that's a policy they're going to have, they should be more consistent within the game.

I think the problem with an example like that with the Pegasus is you could still get that mount by just running FATES in Diadem. Yeah Diadem was a pain to deal with but it was still something that can be managed at a minimum level it just required a lot of time. The Falcon too also says even on the original details from 2017 that "* There is a possibility that the item may become obtainable through other means in the future." so they aren't wrong in that one.

Like if they made a mount like Demi-Ozma exchangeable through Tomes there would be a huge uproar as BA required a ton of grinding and patience to get through even if you cleared in a few amount of runs. So my guess is they want to focus on mounts like those that aren't tied to achievements/final drops for Savage, and would rather just keep doing EX's since those can be facerolled especially HW now that we're dealing with Lvl 80 stuff.

I do agree that we should have more of a pool to pick from for Collars, since there's a common trend among high ranking Feast players complaining over the amount of collars they have and nothing worthwhile to spend them on past the weapons.

[Nalien]

But it's still silly that only PVP gets this reverence. They have no problem letting PVE mounts that people spent hours and hours farming become easier over time.

I kind of agree. Something like Primal mounts? There was never any real challenge involved in getting them to begin with. You learn an entirely static set of mechanics and then your only "challenge" is drop RNG. That simply isn't comparable to something like PvP where you're competing against actual people. You can't just watch a Mr Happy guide and breeze though PvP the same way you can Innocence. You can't pay 7 people to clear PvP for you (well...).

That said, I do wish PvE had more competitive elements like PvP in it, with actual tangible rewards. I'd be perfectly happy to see "World First" rewards, for example. Effectively give PvE content an achievement (and associated reward) that can only be obtained for a set period of time after its release. So someone who clears Thordan (Ultimate) in the first week gets a special reward, and people who take longer/wait for guides don't... It adds a level of prestige to the content, rather than the existing "Oh look, someone who probably bought their clear" level of prestige the existing rewards give. Then you've got things like Deep Dungeons which already even have a leaderboard but no real reward associated with it, but well this is a PvP section not a PvE section so this is getting off topic. Point is, I don't think they should bring PvP rewards in line with PvEs systems, they should instead bring PvE in line with PvPs system.

I still think mine would be acceptable, and I've seen people who have earned those feast rewards say they'd like such things because it means that people who aren't interested in a current Feast reward would still have a reason to play a season.

Wouldn't new Wolf Collar rewards achieve this as well though? I've seen the idea to have old rewards fall under Wolf Collars a bunch, but that always struck me as unfair to the players who've stuck with Feast all this time; Someone who has all the previous rewards gains nothing out of SE adding them to Wolf Collars. Entirely new Wolf Collar rewards should please everyone, though.

[Squintina]

I think the problem with an example like that with the Pegasus is you could still get that mount by just running FATES in Diadem. Yeah Diadem was a pain to deal with but it was still something that can be managed at a minimum level it just required a lot of time. The Falcon too also says even on the original details from 2017 that "* There is a possibility that the item may become obtainable through other means in the future." so they aren't wrong in that one.

Like if they made a mount like Demi-Ozma exchangeable through Tomes there would be a huge uproar as BA required a ton of grinding and patience to get through even if you cleared in a few amount of runs. So my guess is they want to focus on mounts like those that aren't tied to achievements/final drops for Savage, and would rather just keep doing EX's since those can be facerolled especially HW now that we're dealing with Lvl 80 stuff.

I do agree that we should have more of a pool to pick from for Collars, since there's a common trend among high ranking Feast players complaining over the amount of collars they have and nothing worthwhile to spend them on past the weapons.

I was actually referring to the thordan mount, not the pegasus (that's not in the current one, that's from the last mogtome). All EX mounts actually it's ridiculous you can just get them so easily now when people worked so hard to get them back on-content, but putting them in mogtomes and never even see the fight is just beyond ridiculous. Imagine if they had put a pvp mount there!

The falcon mount is actually the only one that's really acceptable because literally all you had to do was be subbed while having SB licensed during a specific time - no actual effort.

Like even if it was reskinned versions of those mounts in wolf collars, that'd be nice, but to never bring them back at all in any shape is just so against everything else that happens in this game.

[Noitems]

I was actually referring to the thordan mount, not the pegasus (that's not in the current one, that's from the last mogtome). All EX mounts actually it's ridiculous you can just get them so easily now when people worked so hard to get them back on-content, but putting them in mogtomes and never even see the fight is just beyond ridiculous. Imagine if they had put a pvp mount there!

The falcon mount is actually the only one that's really acceptable because literally all you had to do was be subbed while having SB licensed during a specific time - no actual effort.

Like even if it was reskinned versions of those mounts in wolf collars, that'd be nice, but to never bring them back at all in any shape is just so against everything else that happens in this game.

Oh my apologies, I'm so used to the top billing mount being the focus of everyone's attention. I get where you're coming from but the argument loses a lot of steam when you can consider most PvE content minus Ultimate and BA can always be IL/Power Creeped due to how the game keeps going. Like back in 4.5 Seiryu EX had a really high dps check, and that was the toughest part about that fight. Now he can be killed insanely quick since the one hurdle was crushed due to creep. Zurvan EX as well with people killing him before the infamous Skip Soar or Disband, it was just a matter of time when those ones become a joke after launch. E4S is going to be the same down the road considering the big hurdle most people are having this tier is E2S and that's due to not enough deeps, give it to 5.2 and people will be killing that on the regular during second delayed flares.

PVP though has a lot more riding on it since it's ranked and on a timer. People do sit on their ranks and there's a lot of talk over rank decay, but those who actually get there did put the effort in. Especially when you look at solo seasons and them going in alone to be matched with three other people who can be of totally different tier levels on their team. Much higher stakes that should be rewarded when you consider PvE content will always stay there to be tackled at anytime.

[Squintina]

Oh my apologies, I'm so used to the top billing mount being the focus of everyone's attention. I get where you're coming from but the argument loses a lot of steam when you can consider most PvE content minus Ultimate and BA can always be IL/Power Creeped due to how the game keeps going. Like back in 4.5 Seiryu EX had a really high dps check, and that was the toughest part about that fight. Now he can be killed insanely quick since the one hurdle was crushed due to creep. Zurvan EX as well with people killing him before the infamous Skip Soar or Disband, it was just a matter of time when those ones become a joke after launch. E4S is going to be the same down the road considering the big hurdle most people are having this tier is E2S and that's due to not enough deeps, give it to 5.2 and people will be killing that on the regular during second delayed flares.

PVP though has a lot more riding on it since it's ranked and on a timer. People do sit on their ranks and there's a lot of talk over rank decay, but those who actually get there did put the effort in. Especially when you look at solo seasons and them going in alone to be matched with three other people who can be of totally different tier levels on their team. Much higher stakes that should be rewarded when you consider PvE content will always stay there to be tackled at anytime.

Fair points.

I guess I'm just jealous I can't get those even if I was willing to put in the work just because I didn't play at that time

[Noitems]

Fair points.

I guess I'm just jealous I can't get those even if I was willing to put in the work just because I didn't play at that time

I'm completely in the same boat because they look insanely cool and I never tried it out let alone Feast until more recently.

The best we can do is hope they add more collar rewards to entice new players and reward the vets who have so many on hand.

All the more reason to give it a go if you weren't playing prior and see how it works out!