MSQ cutscene skipping against TOS?

[Halivel]

if the msq dungeons are apparently not worth their time.

They, apparently, just forget that this Roulette has solid EXP and Tomestones reward for a reason and without unskippable cutscenes it would be about 5 time less. Or maybe they are failry new to the game and didn't even know.

Anyway, I suppose it's in humanity nature to be tricksters until the moment when there is an administration punching their hands for it either just mentally or with bans/fines.

Just today I had discussion in NN where another Mentor openly said "I do it and other people do it with me" and "It's not the same as other exploits it doesn't break anything". And when I was trying to point out that this's still a breaking of ToS and isn't something you should encourage people to do (especially as a Mentor tbh) quess what? People act in way "nah I have never had problems who cares". Just... /sigh/ This is beyond any hope, I presume.

[SerLuke]

They, apparently, just forget that this Roulette has solid EXP and Tomestones reward for a reason and without unskippable cutscenes it would be about 5 time less. Or maybe they are failry new to the game and didn't even know.

Anyway, I suppose it's in humanity nature to be tricksters until the moment when there is an administration punching their hands for it either just mentally or with bans/fines.

Just today I had discussion in NN where another Mentor openly said "I do it and other people do it with me" and "It's not the same as other exploits it doesn't break anything". And when I was trying to point out that this's still a breaking of ToS and isn't something you should encourage people to do (especially as a Mentor tbh) quess what? People act in way "nah I have never had problems who cares". Just... /sigh/ This is beyond any hope, I presume.

You should report them for saying that in NN, sounds like they need a 30 day time out.

[Imbrium]

They, apparently, just forget that this Roulette has solid EXP and Tomestones reward for a reason and without unskippable cutscenes it would be about 5 time less. Or maybe they are failry new to the game and didn't even know.

Anyway, I suppose it's in humanity nature to be tricksters until the moment when there is an administration punching their hands for it either just mentally or with bans/fines.

Just today I had discussion in NN where another Mentor openly said "I do it and other people do it with me" and "It's not the same as other exploits it doesn't break anything". And when I was trying to point out that this's still a breaking of ToS and isn't something you should encourage people to do (especially as a Mentor tbh) quess what? People act in way "nah I have never had problems who cares". Just... /sigh/ This is beyond any hope, I presume.

I like to think that people like that are the minority, at least. In my msq runs across 3 accounts, the worst I usually see in Prae are people trying to afk through or dcing entirely in the hopes of a boot. The forums aren't a good representation of the community, so we could think half the population is doing this trick based on replies when it's really 1% or less, and of that % we have confirmation that mods are getting involved.

The person who says, "It's never happened to me!" today could be awol for a few days and say "Guess what happened to me?" the next time you see them, after all. We need to keep being the voice of reason when they try and spread the "It's totally fine!" lines.

[Halivel]

You should report them for saying that in NN, sounds like they need a 30 day time out.

Actually done though I'm not sure that I chose the correct category. I took harassment as it's the only one where you quote messages from the chat, while technically it's more proper for cheating..? Not sure. Never reported until today tbh.

I like to think that people like that are the minority, at least. In my msq runs across 3 accounts, the worst I usually see in Prae are people trying to afk through or dcing entirely in the hopes of a boot. The forums aren't a good representation of the community, so we could think half the population is doing this trick based on replies when it's really 1% or less, and of that % we have confirmation that mods are getting involved.

They mostly are the minority, indeed. Though lately I often have at least 1 person who uses exploits which is very understandable when you see "The Boss area is sealed" notification when you are still literally in the middle of the cutscene and the end of it still far even if you play with different interface language. It became more common lately because of Moogle Event I suspect and exploit probably got spreaded among players fast thanks to that in this short period of time, though on the other hand those can be same people as well. When Event will be down, situation will most likely be back to normal when I barely saw this kind of attitude.

The person who says, "It's never happened to me!" today could be awol for a few days and say "Guess what happened to me?" the next time you see them, after all. We need to keep being the voice of reason when they try and spread the "It's totally fine!" lines.

I just wonder what kind of face they will face when one day they will log in and find out themselves in a jail with GM standing against them.

[Kinetic-duet]

I just had one where people were telling others how to do the cutscene skipping exploit. Nobody actually did it in that run. I don't know if that's even reportable or how to even report that if it is. And yeah, they did the "nothing's happened to the people I know who've done it, so....".

[RoyalBeef]

the kid that reminded the teacher that they forgot to assign homework.

Perfect summary of those personality types. And they still wonder why they are disliked more than TOS breakers ^^

[Imbrium]

Perfect summary of those personality types. And they still wonder why they are disliked more than TOS breakers ^^

I'm sure you know best the feeling of doing something and being disliked for it. It must be hard on you, being renounced by the moral majority but feeling such a strong responsibility to persevere anyway. We can all learn a lesson about keeping on the path in the face of adversity, and horrors like people over the internet thinking we're not "hip" and "with it" from internet trolls. Shine on our beacon of hope!

[Vnolan]

Like the person in this thread that said they got a 30 day ban for it?

To answer the OP here is what happened to my friend.
He did this a lot he skipped MSQ cutscenes. I warned him that it could be considered an exploit but he thought Nah itll be fine.
Well, this past monday he got handed a 30-day ban hammer. Why? Well they said he did an exploit he asked about the specific exploit and it was skipping the cutscenes.
I also had someone demand everyone do it and i said no and was kicked from the duty.

So you can get in trouble if someone reports you. That is your own risk.

One person said their friend got a 30-day ban and another said their friend got a 3-day ban. The max temp ban is 20 days. SE keeps track of account penalties and can issue harsher penalties for each subsequent ToS violation, even if it's the same violation. You have no way of knowing if those bans were for their first ToS violation or fourth or what the previous violations were. More importantly, the instances occurred publicly. Any account action could have been issued for intentional disconnects affecting someone else's gameplay just as well as it could have been for making use of an exploit.

You don't have to warn people about advertising RMT in chat or harassment using parses. On the other hand, there are plenty of people who think you can get in trouble for providing unsolicited advice because of the new ToS and suggest not to do it.

Trying to get a reluctant group of randoms/newbs to do it is one thing, but who cares if the group is in agreement?

[MariaArvana]

Trying to get a reluctant group of randoms/newbs to do it is one thing, but who cares if the group is in agreement?

To me, it's more about spreading common sense to people so that they don't do something foolish and end up with temp bans or worse. You know, to save them from theselves. Especially if some people are going around how to tell more innocent people how to do it.

Even with a full group agreement, that's not going to protect you. Back when Ungermax was being exploited, several people were hit by bans even when they did it among full friend groups in casual content. GMs have WAY more statistics and data to work with on their hands besides the in-game chat log. All that needs to happen is a mass bunch of 15minute clear Praetoriums to start popping up in the server logs for them to start investigating jimmy over here that was in every single one of those runs and is the common denominator to catch him in the act. GMs can enter instances if they so desire.

Not to mention, you'd need a full group of 8 in agreement to try and hope you stay under the radar, since even if you're 7/8 and that 8th doesn't like it...oops. Not to mention just typing it out in chat in the hopes the group agrees is enough to incriminate you.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It doesn't matter if "it's never happened to you or anyone you know" or any similar reason. It's against the TOS, the GMs have a ton of data they can use if the situation worsens, you're the one risking your account, it's up to you to decide if permanent warning strikes/bans against your account is worth saving that 25 minutes instead of firing up netflix or your favorite social media to distract yourself. And if you end up in front of a GM, you literally have no one to blame but yourself. That's it, no ifs and or buts. Take the risk and accept any potential consequences, or stay on the side of common sense and don't break the ToS.

[Vnolan]

To me, it's more about spreading common sense to people so that they don't do something foolish and end up with temp bans or worse. You know, to save them from theselves.

You don't have to warn people about advertising RMT in chat or harassment using parses.

Even with a full group agreement, that's not going to protect you. Back when Ungermax was being exploited, several people were hit by bans even when they did it among full friend groups in casual content.

Because they kept it hidden. That was also dealt with rather quickly once they became aware of it. Nothing happened with BLU or Eureka Light glitching when that was known about for about a year in Eureka's case (how many got banned for cheesing Doom during BA?) and this MSQ exploiting has been publicly known for over 18 months.

GMs have WAY more statistics and data to work with on their hands besides the in-game chat log.

Doesn't matter what tools they have if they aren't allowed to use them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It doesn't matter if "it's never happened to you or anyone you know". It's against the TOS, the GMs have a ton of data they can use if the situation worsens, you're the one risking your account, it's up to you to decide if permanent warning strikes/bans against your account is worth saving that 25 minutes instead of firing up netflix or your favorite social media to distract yourself. And if you end up in front of a GM, you literally have no one to blame but yourself. That's it, no ifs and or buts.

Yep, just like you risk your account when you bot, sell content for real money, parse, use hunt radar, steal from a FC chest, run a LM scam party, provide unsolicited advice, pilot someone else's account, or win trade. Oh, I forgot, those are either not against the ToS and so don't matter even though they affect other people, or are dealt with by the STF, which has even more tools at their disposal than the GMs but somehow allows it to continue.