Forced scarcity and exclusivity.

[swiss_Momo]

remember how the knowledge that the rewards will later be easier to obtain trough added echo and eventually handed out almost for free via unsync completely killed off savage raiding and ex primals?
... oh wait, that never happened.
But remember how the Overwatch devs came out last year or so stating that seasonal exclusive rewards are a bad system and don't work as good incentive?
That one actually happened, and Pepperidge farm remembers.

in b4 another "you just want things for free" strawman
also in b4 another round of "but the top 100 rewards are muh exclusive trophies!". You still have the actual leaderboard on the Lodestone for that, and that one even shows your exact rank & points you got that season.

[Nirokun]

remember how the knowledge that the rewards will later be easier to obtain trough added echo and eventually handed out almost for free via unsync completely killed off savage raiding and ex primals?
... oh wait, that never happened.
But remember how the Overwatch devs came out last year or so stating that seasonal exclusive rewards are a bad system and don't work as good incentive?
That one actually happened, and Pepperidge farm remembers.

in b4 another "you just want things for free" strawman
also in b4 another round of "but the top 100 rewards are muh exclusive trophies!". You still have the actual leaderboard on the Lodestone for that, and that one even shows your exact rank & points you got that season.

You sound like any other sore loser. Your kind of attitude is why we have participation trophies now.

(I don't do primals or savage raiding anymore because everything gets erased with time. I got fed up with it and saw the glory that is Feast Top 100.)

[monk-dps]

You sound like any other sore loser. Your kind of attitude is why we have participation trophies now.

(I don't do primals or savage raiding anymore because everything gets erased with time. I got fed up with it and saw the glory that is Feast Top 100.)

She's not wrong on the primal and savage point though. Gear always devalue, the moment you bring out another patch that is when it's value is gone/lowered. I think the ultimate and pvp rewards should stay as is do so I agree with you on that point. But everything isn't on an equal footing. Would you put the FFX outfits on that same point? I hope not as there was no skill to getting those vs the PVP mounts. That's my only point.. if we're just talking about the pvp stuff then yes. Leave those alone. Everything else... couldn't care less as it's already devalued the moment anything new comes out anyway.

[Nirokun]

She's not wrong on the primal and savage point though. Gear always devalue, the moment you bring out another patch that is when it's value is gone/lowered. I think the ultimate and pvp rewards should stay as is do so I agree with you on that point. But everything isn't on an equal footing. Would you put the FFX outfits on that same point? I hope not as there was no skill to getting those vs the PVP mounts. That's my only point.. if we're just talking about the pvp stuff then yes. Leave those alone. Everything else... couldn't care less as it's already devalued the moment anything new comes out anyway.

Oh, I agree about primal/savage, that's why I said I don't do them anymore. Doing something to distinguish yourself (in a game or otherwise) feels good.

Personally, I was always the type that would keep things exclusive to a time/place. Yes, even those FFX outfits, rarity keeps it interesting. But you are right, things are constantly being devalued as time goes on and that sucks. That's why I am against it, and, for example, support PVE timed exclusives like world first or world top 10 - 100 whatever. Even though I'm not terribly interested in raiding because raid night schedules doesn't fit in my life now. Ranked PVP queues (even in the slowest queue as a ranged player) works much better for me, I can play when I have time and attempt to climb the ladder.

I disagree (not with you specifically) that ALL THINGS should be available to EVERYONE FOREVER, because that opens the door to 1.0 stuff and PVP Top 100 / teams / Feast Regional Championship stuff. Whether or not to allow acquisition of something particular, on a case-by-case basis, is an entirely different conversation.

[CookiesNCreams]

Oh, I agree about primal/savage, that's why I said I don't do them anymore. Doing something to distinguish yourself (in a game or otherwise) feels good.

Personally, I was always the type that would keep things exclusive to a time/place. Yes, even those FFX outfits, rarity keeps it interesting. But you are right, things are constantly being devalued as time goes on and that sucks. That's why I am against it, and, for example, support PVE timed exclusives like world first or world top 10 - 100 whatever. Even though I'm not terribly interested in raiding because raid night schedules doesn't fit in my life now. Ranked PVP queues (even in the slowest queue as a ranged player) works much better for me, I can play when I have time and attempt to climb the ladder.

I disagree (not with you specifically) that ALL THINGS should be available to EVERYONE FOREVER, because that opens the door to 1.0 stuff and PVP Top 100 / teams / Feast Regional Championship stuff. Whether or not to allow acquisition of something particular, on a case-by-case basis, is an entirely different conversation.

General FFXIV consensus is: I don’t want people getting more cool stuff than me, thats not fair. if you get more stuff than me, your a loser and you live in your moms basement! square, give us rare items for free! everyone deserves everything! REEEE

General Real Life consensus: don’t complain about what you don’t have and earn it. put effort into things you want because nobody will give it to you!

I wonder which one is more sensible and realistic.

FFXIV is literally the only game where developers listen to this mindset. No other game I’ve played has that mindset, none. (WOW maybe being an exception, lol.) It’s now reaching a point where the easy endgame items/content accessibility is pretty unreasonable, and I’m glad more people are speaking up about this. Regardless of how toxic certain players are on here about the subject.