Dear SE, please never again put irregular tomestones into Frontline

[RenoKreuz]

don't know what data center u play on but ever since the event my good old maelstrom suddenly loses half its matches because noobs come in trying to farm ach and tomestones. meanwhile it seems like every single bloody match the other 2 GCs are ganging up on mael. i used to have like >50% winrate for a few weeks now I am >50% 3rd for this week.

[Rhais]

Yeah, because a lot of people are under the impression that Maelstrom wins most of the time many people have transferred over thinking they can get easy wins. They don't seem to realize that they were contributing to their previous GCs losses and are just dragging Mael down as well. Since the Garo event and now the moogle event Mael has been inundated with tome raiders and transfers from other GCs and doesn't win as often as before. (This is primarily what I've experienced with FL on crystal.)

[Arazehl]

What I noticed is Flames and Adders get into "pissing contests" with each other and get so caught up with that, that Mael just sits back and takes all that spawns on the field, while the other two go at each other throats.

New player's perception of what pvp is and what it really entails is different. They think "pvp" is all about the killing of other players and pay no mind to the strategy part of the match.

[Moonlite]

I think you are overthinking it a little. The games are almost the same before the tomestones were added. Flames were bad before and people complained and said they were going to do nothing and they say same thing now. We have a thread from someone complaining people don't do enough PvP in frontlines. It is pretty clear that flames team should not do any more pvp then absolutely necessary. Players don't focus targets, almost no one marks targets, tanks don't try to control off target healers, lack of healers, or healers that have only about 100k in healing but oh two kills. Don't heal if you are going to heal the team would be better of knowing they have no heals. Or healers that know they are hard to kill and just wander around the map. How does that help the dragoon trying to kill the enemy healer. So any full engagement on the map ends up in a wipe, not lemmings just can't and shouldn't engage.



Also zero understanding of the map, objectives and score. Rotating maps do not help people get better. I had a couple maelstrom freelancer and no one was calling out people just knew where to go. On flames I scream at the screen what are you people doing all the time. They don't know when new tomeliths or ice are going to spawn or where the third team is. Which way they should be going on the map so they don't antagonize the other team.

[Shadygrove]

Aether, Maelstrom. I swear the adders and flames coordinate against us.

I haven't seen lemmings, just newbies. I have seen AFK idlers. I have macros for newbies.

For shatter:

/alliance You can't win here by PvPing. You can only win shatter by killing ICE. <wait.2>
/alliance You can, however, loose by PvPing.

[Ryphen]

You most certainly can win in Shatter with PvPing. But it usually involves a premade with healers that know what they're doing and the rest of the team not being cannon fodder.

[Shadygrove]

You most certainly can win in Shatter with PvPing. But it usually involves a premade with healers that know what they're doing and the rest of the team not being cannon fodder.

So you agree with me.

A premade party with voice chat almost guarantees a frontline win.

[Astrololol]

tfw people on my team are bitching about mael/premades etc

mael: fighting flames around the sw ice entrance
me: -links location behind mael- ok then pince them?
them: nah let them duke it out

it is so old

[Ryphen]

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say you need voice chat. A few macros and target marking are usually sufficient.

[Rhais]

Aether, Maelstrom. I swear the adders and flames coordinate against us.

I haven't seen lemmings, just newbies. I have seen AFK idlers. I have macros for newbies.

For shatter:

/alliance You can't win here by PvPing. You can only win shatter by killing ICE. <wait.2>
/alliance You can, however, loose by PvPing.

You are giving bad advice to your alliance, you don't want to ignore ice, but winning fights makes a very big difference. You can often make up the point deficit if your alliance gets cut off from a big ice by wiping out the other teams as they try to retreat after it is gone, or give your alliance an even larger lead if you get to the ice at the same time for example. Passive play is not a good strategy.

Also it's lose, you lose matches. Loose is the opposite of tight.