Forced scarcity and exclusivity.

[Elladie]

I have recently duo-ed Coil Savage with a friend. We now have some very cool titles as a result. Most of the fights were face-roll easy - Nael took a bit more work - but it was an hour of fun that we enjoyed. I am currently using one of the titles because it matches where my WoL/WoD's head is right now.

We didn't do the runs for the titles, we did them to see if we could. Do I think us having them devalues the titles. Yes and no. I don't attach any value to them because I know we got them easy (more because we didn't have to deal with the mistakes of another 6 people, just our own derp moments which were funny and not annoying) and neither of us go around flaunting them. But I would understand some who got them back in the day being unhappy we got them with so little effort. But I have no idea what the solution to that is. Shutting off Savage Coil would also piss people off. I guess the only answer would be to make it sync'd only, and then no one would ever do it ....?

[TheForce]

If YOU have the shiny and you did it the hard way, what part of someone who does the quest 2 years later or overgeared removes your accomplishment? If the only reason you are valuing something is because others don't have it, then maybe it isn't the thing that's important. That's selfish. Only finding value in being able to lord something over others.

1. Turn off the caps lock please.

2. Wanted to address the last thing you said in particular. It bothers me how you have to word the concept of rarity in such an ugly way. I don't know why you're trying so hard to make it seem like such a reprehensible thing, it's completely natural and totally okay for people to want rare things, and yes,
value is, and should be, related to an item's rarity.

I mean, just look at the Marketboard, do you seriously believe that everyone who is selling a rare item for a lot of money is selfish/a bad person? And to give a real life example, are you going to try to shame Ivy League alumni for being proud of going to their schools because "they just want to lord it over everybody since it's rare for someone to be accepted"? Stop trying to shame people because they simply want to keep their items rare, & wanting to have/do things others do not. I will not believe for one second that you have never been attracted to an item, or achievement, or anything due to its rarity.
Being the same as everybody else is extremely boring, let players find ways to make themselves unique.

[Krotoan]

1. Turn off the caps lock please.

I capitalized one word for emphasis. ... Are you that sensitive?

2. Wanted to address the last thing you said in particular. It bothers me how you have to word the concept of rarity in such an ugly way. I don't know why you're trying so hard to make it seem like such a reprehensible thing, it's completely natural and totally okay for people to want rare things, and yes,
value is, and should be, related to an item's rarity.

Rare is a condition of supply. The value of rare is in that there are not many to be had and so acquiring said item demands a high price not because others do not have it, but because only so many can have it ever. The value lies not in lording over others, but having the thing because you appreciate it. Rare drives up the price to acquire. If you cannot see the difference in valuing an item VS valuing others not having it then I'm not sure how else to explain it.

I mean, just look at the Marketboard, do you seriously believe that everyone who is selling a rare item for a lot of money is selfish/a bad person?

No. THis is not what I'm attempting to get across. Possibly a failing of my choice of words.

And to give a real life example, are you going to try to shame Ivy League alumni for being proud of going to their schools because "they just want to lord it over everybody since it's rare for someone to be accepted"? Stop trying to shame people because they simply want to keep their items rare, & wanting to have/do things others do not. I will not believe for one second that you have never been attracted to an item, or achievement, or anything due to its rarity.

Ivy league alumni do not value their achievements because others don't have it. They value them because they mean something as far as knowledge learned and proven. There is value in the thing itself, again, not in the fact that others do not have it, but that it is difficult to acquire. When I was younger I may have had the greedy thought that something was valuable simply because there weren't many, but all that means is there is a short supply. If the item holds no other value besides its scarcity it is worthless.

Being the same as everybody else is extremely boring, let players find ways to make themselves unique.

Like the millions of possible combinations of glamour, dyes, race, job, feature and build customizations? Like having an actual RP persona instead of just being another WoL hoarding stuff?

I never said you couldn't have the stuff, I just loathe people who consider something only worth having if others cannot have it.

[DevilsDontFly]

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Putting it that way, I do understand the sentiment. I don't see it as "just a game", though, and I value the experiences and memories.
At the same time I look at "exclusives" I have and have been gathering/saving/stockpilling but never using and I can't help but ask myself "Why people get so upset over someone being able to use something I left to gather dust in my retainers for years", you know? Obviously different people see it differently, like you said. And because SE themselves give you a word and then goes back on it can be frustrating. So I definitely understand why it would be upsetting.

[CookiesNCreams]

Really? Selfish?

The thing is I don't think many players who do ex primals or even the most hard core raiders have ever cleared a piece of content got a shiny mount, minion, title, or whatever. and then turned around and said NO ONE else is allowed this.... All many of them ask is that if you want to get said shiny you should take on the samechallenges they did to get it. That's not selfish at all that's fundamental andbasic fairness. these players wouldn't care less if literally everyone had that same shiny if they all overcame the same challenge to get it. hell many of them would actually be happy about it because it would obviously mean the average skill level of the playerbase was a dam site higher. which might then make things like raid finder or duty finder pugs more approachable.

The selfishness or entitlement comes from players who "pay the same sub" and thus demand the same shinys. nerf that content, make it easier because i want that shiny other people have and i'm to lazy to actually go and get it.. these people are the epitome of selfish because it is there personal sense of entitlement that destroys the games challenges and trivialises its shiny trophies.

You’re not getting through to this community with the whole “put in Grade A effort, get Grade A rewards” mindset that most people have. They mostly have a “put in Grade A effort, get Grade C rewards.” And in general, believe in anyone and everyone should have access to any reward without lifting a finger. And what’s worse, is that the dev team listens to them, not realizing it takes away any positive reinforcement. Like I said, I strongly recommend a game like Monster Hunter World or call of duty, where players like that aren’t tolerated or listened to.

Sounds harsh, but it’s pretty ridiculous what this game has turned into ever since Stormblood began. Im only staying around for the yorha raid, all I care about. By the way, it’ll eventually reach a point where Yoshida’s catering-dev team makes it to where someone as bad at raiding like myself, can waltz in and grab a exclusive mount or gear set like it’s nothing. Currently, that’s how crafting has become. I expect every other aspect in the game to be no different by 6.0.

I’m like “I mean, you do you, but I would hate to see you play a game like any of the monster hunters where your laziness isn’t tolerated and actually punishes you for it.” Not going to respond to negative comments, because I know how this community rolls when it comes to effort, lol.

[MrKusakabe]

Exclusivity: Because having the blue sword, which is nothing but binary data on a hard drive which you do not even own, makes you importanter than others in RL somehow.

Is the "real life" part something you just made up? Because I have yet to find someone (even in this very thread to this point of your post) that says "I am better than you in real life because of X".

The problem I have with a statement of yours - with your without the relation to real life circumstances - is this "Nothing matters" sort of thing. Why do you play a video game then in the first place? Do you sit at Level 1 because achieving is not worth it? You can boil that down to everything: A FC leader, a character that is only binary data on a hard disk you don't even own, is in fact, for example, more important than the other who has no say in the FC. Of course you get applause for that post, but the reasoning is very poor. Why is Boris Becker known? Because he played Tennis. Is he more important than you? Yes, indeed! Did he do something world-changing? No. But still he achieved something.

I think limited and exclusive things are absolutely fine! Some people here lack the ability to cope with that for some reason and want to streamline everyone and everything (*coughunismcough*), and these are the same that claim the others are "no-lifers living in the basement". What is that twist in the reasoning? Starting out as reasonable and then turn the crybaby mode on?

Look, I have nothing, literally nothing special in this game. I scratch 1,000 subscribed days soon, and if that would give something cool, I tihnk I really deserved that. You are free to support the game for that long, too. But I would not make childish interpretations of someone if he or she has something neat and me not. I simply just was not there at the right time nor cappable of doing "it" - whatever "it" may be. But I would never want to take away incentive for something just because of that. I am already kind of offended by skip potions. Why did I level myself? (Because it was fun and I wanted get my RDM rotation in my muscle memory).

Of course the Opposition is getting applause for that, because they apparently missed out on items, but the reasoning is pretty lame.

The worst is that some of you say: "It's just bits and bytes and meaningless" - but you create a fuzz because you can't have those meaningless bits and bytes yourself...

I agree with Mr. Gorbachev in that matter.

Sincerely,

[monk-dps]

Things rewarded in any of the hard mode contents should stay in those contents. On the flip side things like costumes for silly events that are one time - like the lighting outfit- I couldn't care less if they were made for everyone down the line. It's not like those items were in super hardcore content and worth bragging about. I think it's good such items like Noc's jacket and car will be in the mogstation within a year for those of us who missed the event due to not playing the game at the time. Those kinds of items don't need to be one time only forever. I think people need to look at where these items are first before they say yes or no. Again, things like the ultimate weapons should stay where they are forever. Let people rise to the challange and get those that way. But things like the car and jackets from silly events with no effort shouldn't be treated like that. That's just my opinion tho.

[Shinklet]

This is an mmorpg, scarcity, exclusivity and rarity are integral to the genre. If you don't earn it while it is relevant, why do you think you deserve it later when it's easier to get? That undermines everything better, harder working players have done.

And for what? So you get get another cutesy uwu outfit you probably don't care about.

[PharisHanasaki]

I've never been one to strive for 100% completition in games, but I did like the idea of owning a few exclusive items. They make me feel like a true fan, and somehow appreciated as a consumer.
Little by little, I'm less enamored with the idea of the 'exclusives' in this game. They all get re-released at some point, making all my effort into obtaining it meaningless. For some, like me, spending money on this game, it's merchandise, collectibles, etc, it's not easy. I have to make sacrifices to attend the fan fests, concerts, buy the artbooks, pay the sub, pay my sister's/friends sub, spend an absurd amount of time farming limited time items, for what? It seems like all of that means nothing in the end.

In part, I'm thankful, I no longer have to worry about investing anything on this game. Since I can always get it at some other point.

[Gwenorai]

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I don't understand why you brought up the amount of gil you have as a defence to being a good player. Like the only way, I could wrap my head around this is if you were actively helping others in regards to rotations and calculations in regards to gear; weren't using any sort of macro and just were all around a real top-notch guy who's number 1 characteristic wasn't 'I have lots of gil.' Since having a lot of gil is something anyone can achieve if they're bored enough.
And even if they gated (made it more difficult) crafting/gathering it doesn't matter for you because you have 20billion gil where you can buy the HQ mats and materia ASAP without any issue.