I'm speculating and I have no freinds.

[Iscah]

Interstellar travel is the thing separating us from the Source.

Where are you getting that idea from? The shards are different dimensions, not separated by physical space.

The Ascians' plan involves breaking down the barriers between each dimension (ie. rejoining them), and the Crystal Tower "time machine" doesn't just need the Alexander-based ability to move through spacetime but Omega's power over the interdimensional rift.


(The dragons' homeworld is not a shard though, and Midgardsormr and Omega seem to have arrived across physical space. It may be the same "Dragon Star" observed by the Ishgardians to predict Nidhogg's attacks.)

[SerLuke]

The NieR raid doesn't happen in a "different dimension". It happens on Norvrandt. The prequel quests for it involve a dig-site near Komra that has a "machine graveyard" in it that we can't get into yet..

what are you talking about?

[Iscah]

what are you talking about?

There's a sidequest in Tomra called "Word About Komra" that is pretty clearly setting up for the raid - the Goggs have discovered a "machina graveyard" and they've never seen anything like it, it introduces some distinct characters (as far as dwarves can be distinct) and does nothing with them yet, and seems to be the first step of a larger plot... but there's no continuation for it. Yet.

[TheMightyMollusk]

(The dragons' homeworld is not a shard though, and Midgardsormr and Omega seem to have arrived across physical space. It may be the same "Dragon Star" observed by the Ishgardians to predict Nidhogg's attacks.)

If memory serves, Omega and Midgardsormr's battles rendered the dragons' homeworld uninhabitable, forcing Midgardsormr to flee into space with the last seven eggs, and Omega followed. It was so far that it was effectively a one-way trip. Neither could make a return trip even if they had anything to return to. Middy made a deal with Hydaelyn so that the dragons could repopulate on the Source, but Omega is still trying to get enough power to go home.

Now I'm wondering; would anyone who traveled to Hydaelyn across the void of space land on the Source by default? Could they possibly land on one of the surviving Shards instead without crossing the Rift?

[SerLuke]

If memory serves, Omega and Midgardsormr's battles rendered the dragons' homeworld uninhabitable, forcing Midgardsormr to flee into space with the last seven eggs, and Omega followed. It was so far that it was effectively a one-way trip. Neither could make a return trip even if they had anything to return to. Middy made a deal with Hydaelyn so that the dragons could repopulate on the Source, but Omega is still trying to get enough power to go home.

Now I'm wondering; would anyone who traveled to Hydaelyn across the void of space land on the Source by default? Could they possibly land on one of the surviving Shards instead without crossing the Rift?

That’s a good question I have a feeling we’re going to find out the relationship between the shards and the cosmos in the next patch.

[Fawkes]

The shards are different dimensions, not separated by physical space.

I don't think we know enough about what our multiverse looks like to say that for certain.

[Iscah]

I don't think we know enough about what our multiverse looks like to say that for certain.

We certainly don't know enough to state they aren't parallel dimensions, as YojimboM did.

I don't think I've ever seen any reference in-game to the possibility that they exist in real space. They are "reflections", "parallel worlds", "dimensions", "mirrored planes". And as I said in my last post, there are practical indications that the people who do understand the shards enough to travel between them (ie. the Ascians and G'raha Tia) perceive them as dimensions, not locations separated by physical space.

While it doesn't directly rule out a revelation that contradicts this understanding, there would be very little point to such a revelation - it would change little or nothing in practical terms and make the concept of "dimensional collapse" and Rejoining a lot messier.

[Mistyregions]

So it is plausible midgardsormr and by extension his kin would have the ability to pierce into the other shards and get people back home?

[YojimboM]

Where are you getting that idea from? The shards are different dimensions, not separated by physical space.

The Ascians' plan involves breaking down the barriers between each dimension (ie. rejoining them), and the Crystal Tower "time machine" doesn't just need the Alexander-based ability to move through spacetime but Omega's power over the interdimensional rift.


(The dragons' homeworld is not a shard though, and Midgardsormr and Omega seem to have arrived across physical space. It may be the same "Dragon Star" observed by the Ishgardians to predict Nidhogg's attacks.)

The reference of the stars (I suspect this is why Urianger turned to astrology). There is exclusivity of the beings that exist off-world from the Source. There is no evidence of a copy of Midgardsormr, Omega, or a copy of Minfilia (that wasn't spawned from our Minfilia). No second incarnation of the Twelve. All of these worlds exist in tandem and can simultaneously impact each other, but their existence is also literal, like Gaia and Terra from Final Fantasy IX (Terra was placed inside Gaia, and they are both different planets, SE is known for bizarre geography like this).

what are you talking about?

There's a quest in Tomra called "Word About Komra". The two dwarves in it are the dwarves from the screenshots we have of the NieR raid. The black and white dwarves. 100% linked prequel quest.

[TaleraRistain]

I really do hope they bring Tiamat back though, it's always depressed me how her story never really got resolved. Especially with the fascinating tidbit in our conversations with her about bringing dead loved ones' back as primals that I was so sure was going somewhere given a certain scene that happens in HW but it never did.

She hasn't gone anywhere, though. She's remaining in self-imposed containment. She could break herself free but she chooses not to and won't agree for others to do it either. I'm not sure what they could do with her under those auspices. This is her wish for eternity.