Why I look forward to Limited jobs

[Savagelf]

is that my point Jybril I suggest give contructive feedback and people accurse me of mental gymnastic to like blu I suggest to people wait till all the blu out before give a opinion because you don't know the devs plan but people are impatient give their opinion and demand change now. a expansion is the sum of it expansion and content patch cycle so this why I suggest wait to see what is in store you have seen SE finally card for blue mage yet people demand they throw blue mage back to drawn board and make like rest of jobs called it failure. a failure would mean they know the content come out in future. seen the issue is blue mage maybe aim for more solo love player base. I have heard anyone say what the japenese player base think of blue mage. see this is issue people who want to dungeon and raid want blue mage for them yet that not audience it aim for. SE tried balance select content for different audience include blue mage.

an Expansion is sum of it content and it content patches

[Videra]

That's roughly what I imagined with the concept of "limited" feature. The issue with BLU, be it its unpredicatability, and its balance. Two things that are only an issue in random group. So, thos gilded spells would indeed be the only ones you would have in PUG, and would probably be learned via job quests of through an easy-non-random process.

But, if you build a premade, you check "unchain" or "limited" in the DF menu, and suddenly, you have access to everything. And you could do the same for every job, giving them more depth that won't be an issue since you have time to discuss the setup before going into duties.

Since you don't have the actual numbers, that's an assumption based on a the vocal part of the playerbase, which is always a minority.

Yes, they should, because at the end of an expansion, it's more interesting to offer something new to do, instead of another job to farm the things you already farm for months. You just have to realize that, right now, BLU is not a job, it's a content.

So you're just going to lay down and accept half-baked garbage content that is, being generous, dead within a week. You are arguing in favour of content that nobody wanted, could have been anything else, and wastes a job that people genuinely wanted. Right, you're just a troll. Got it.

[Auryan]

So you're just going to lay down and accept half-baked garbage content that is, being generous, dead within a week. You are arguing in favour of content that nobody wanted, could have been anything else, and wastes a job that people genuinely wanted. Right, you're just a troll. Got it.

Talk about a childish overreaction over something harmless and matter of fact. We get it, you loathe BLU and the people who like it, apparently. That hatred doesn't equal to your opinion being the dominant one and you playing representative of "the base" isn't going to make it true either. That doesn't make him a troll for calling you out on falsely assuming that you're in the right, though it does lessen you.

If everything were determined by popular opinion, we'd only be getting dungeons, 24 mans and savage into perpetuity until everybody gets bored and quits. Glad we don't. XIV could stand to get more side content that doesn't always have to do with tomes, ilvl or raids.

[Videra]

Talk about a childish overreaction over something harmless and matter of fact. We get it, you loathe BLU and the people who like it, apparently. That hatred doesn't equal to your opinion being the dominant one and you playing representative of "the base" isn't going to make it true either. That doesn't make him a troll for calling you out on falsely assuming that you're in the right, though it does lessen you.

If everything were determined by popular opinion, we'd only be getting dungeons, 24 mans and savage into perpetuity until everybody gets bored and quits. Glad we don't. XIV could stand to get more side content that doesn't always have to do with tomes, ilvl or raids.

I do not loathe people who like BLU, they can enjoy it however much they want. I personally don't, what I loathe is seeing people try to defend it. If you like something that's bad, then admit that it's bad. And guess what? I'm okay with side content, I want more - but what I want is for side content to not be dead on arrival.

[Auryan]

I do not loathe people who like BLU, they can enjoy it however much they want. I personally don't, what I loathe is seeing people try to defend it. If you like something that's bad, then admit that it's bad. And guess what? I'm okay with side content, I want more - but what I want is for side content to not be dead on arrival.

Right, sure. You're just oozing compassion and understanding. You can convince yourself and people that share your disgust, but not others.

Like all side content, you don't have to any of them, you know. It's not like the GMs are going around and harassing people to pick up crafting. You're free to pick and choose whatever you want to do, or not do. Limited jobs may not be your thing, much like DoH/DoL isn't for a lot of people. And that's perfectly fine. Freedom of choice. Ain't that a kick?

[Verlyn]

A highly requested, iconic combat job should not be side content. There are plenty of other concepts that they could utilize, rather than to put a job behind a wall where it can't play the main game (that is, roulettes, dungeons, raids, eureka, etc) with anyone else, just because it's a little scary to balance and prepare for.

Making that side content Blue Mage was a terrible idea, and its lack of popularity attests to that. The Masked Carnivale could've easily been a tower-style arena or something everyone could enjoy. I mean, Lord of Verminion somehow exists without Puppetmaster, after all.

[Reynhart]

Meanwhile, literally no one asked BLU to be this sort of content.
They asked for it to be a job like any other like loads thought it would be.

No, in fact, everybody had already accepted that BLU could not be made into a proper job without compromising its identity. People had already accepted that BLU would never be in this game. That's why it was such a surprise.

So you're just going to lay down and accept half-baked garbage content that is, being generous, dead within a week.

Dead within a week for people who rushed it, pretty much like...well, everything else ? EX Primals can be dead within a week, hunts...well, it's been a long since they were even alive, and for people who hate PvP, this is content dead on arrival.

and wastes a job that people genuinely wanted.

Again, people were 100% sure we would never have BLU, so they didn't waste anything.

Making that side content Blue Mage was a terrible idea, and its lack of popularity attests to that.

Can you actually measure that ? Can you give a number of how many people did the Masked Carnivale and liked it ? Or are you just assuming that people hated it because once they've fully cleared it, they just stopped doing it because it didn't offer additional rewards ?

[Verlyn]

Can you actually measure that ? Can you give a number of how many people did the Masked Carnivale and liked it ? Or are you just assuming that people hated it because once they've fully cleared it, they just stopped doing it because it didn't offer additional rewards ?

https://ffxivcensus.com/2019-02/

Easily the least prolific job a month after its release. Granted, there is no way of telling if this is 'who unlocked the job at all', 'who capped it to 50' or 'who played masked carnivale' but it's telling enough that it is still the least of jobs on active characters even now.
Someone else posted data that showed how many people on JP servers unlocked the job vs. maxed it that was pretty damning too, but can't find it. Not terribly interested in scouring this forum for it. If you'd like to find it, it is in one of these Blue Mage threads. The ones with dozens of pages complaining about an apparently successful job, that seem to keep cropping up.

[Savagelf]

263k that doesn't sound like a failed job that does sound like success start.

[DarkEiraStar]

With SE design philosophy, BLU will never be a full job. And if they wasted time making it a full job, I'm a 100% sure people would find even more ways to complain about it. I like that its limited for exactly the reasons they stated it would be limited. With so many people hating on it means that the people that actually enjoy BLU for what it is will never get to see the rest of the devs plans for it.