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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    info regarding SCH that would of made this post really long if I left it in as it was.
    Okay, this ummm, semi confused me, since while some things aren't inaccurate, I think you might have some information misplaced.

    First to start, SCH is a combat medic, but not how you think it is. Because of our modern interpretations of things, we tend to have a specific image in mind when thinking about certain subjects. This applies to the idea of a combat medic as well. If you were to think of one, you'd picture a doctor who is able to hold there own in a fight. But you are thinking in modern times, with modern tools. You have to remember that in the world of 14, technology isn't the same as it is for us. SCH is a combat medic in the current setting, since magic exists, a Chemist would be closer to a more modern interpretations. Admittedly though, since this is a game all healers have to be able to fight back as needed.

    Another thing to remember is what their skills actually mean, many meanings get lost in other languages. To start with, almost everything they do is related to poisons, heals and attacks, as that is something done in the real world, injecting toxins into our bodies to either heal ourselves or cause injury to others. As an example Art of War in Japanese is Poisoning Art, Leeches was an old method of "purifying" the body, and Physick is an old term for a laxative. As for some other skills, Adloquium is Encouragement Plan(which is what Adlo means in Latin) Succor is morale lifting plan, the Galvanize effect is encouragement in Japanese, and Galvanize itself means both to shield and encourage. As well as the rest of their non-fairy based skills which deal with tactical measures, often being a translation of the original Japanese in an easier to understand/cool sounding formate; why say Far Seeing Plan when you can say Excogitation. Also, here is something I wrote a while back about the Broil line of spells

    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Yeah, Broil in Japanese is 気炎法(kienho), which is a combination of the kanji for spirit, flame, and method/act (like the act of doing something). But the first two combine to make the word 気炎(kien) which means High spirits/big talk. So the transtalion for 気炎法 could be read as either a literal transtalion Spirit Flame Art, or Flamboyant Speech, the later of which fits with SCH's motif, but the former sounds like an attack, so it's a play on words in Japanese. They were able to do this in English too by using the word embroil, which means bringing someone into conflict, usually through speech. They were even able to keep the "flame" aspect, which is probably why the animation looks fiery.

    Now in English they just change the number, but in Japanese they change the first kanji, with Broil II being 魔炎法(maenho), and Broil III being 死炎法(shienho) with the kanji for spirit replaced with demon and death respectively. Unfortunately, 魔炎 and 死炎 aren't words on their own, but the series follows the same logic as most spells, were they change the ending (fire, fire, firaga, firaja), but in this case it's the first character that changes not the last. So it helps establish a theme, like your talks are getting more aggressive.

    Funny thing, 炎(En) can also mean inflammation, and is used in several medical terms as well. That's why Japanese wordplay is so ammusing.

    And yeah Ruin still fits but since it's more engrained in SMN I wish they'd fix it, it seems odd SCH having an Arcanist leftover.
    I'm not saying that SCHs lore is as solid as it once was, especially as expansions come and go. But SCH for the most part, lore-wise, is still as it was, a post-modern combat medic. The main reason it's lore might be a bit confusing is because it's still tied to Arcanist and by proxy Summoner lore, so the overlap brings confusion.

    Also to answer a question about the faerie. The faeries are tools, think medical tool. They are just a construct to aid in healing while on the battlefield while the SCH is creating tactics. There is nothing more than that. They don't have a big lore dump like Egis and such, they were just tools created to help in battle. Sentient tools, but still tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Another thing to remember is what their skills actually mean, many meanings get lost in other languages. To start with, almost everything they do is related to poisons, heals and attacks, as that is something done in the real world, injecting toxins into our bodies to either heal ourselves or cause injury to others. As an example Art of War in Japanese is Poisoning Art, Leeches was an old method of "purifying" the body, and Physick is an old term for a laxative. As for some other skills, Adloquium is Encouragement Plan(which is what Adlo means in Latin) Succor is morale lifting plan, the Galvanize effect is encouragement in Japanese, and Galvanize itself means both to shield and encourage. As well as the rest of their non-fairy based skills which deal with tactical measures, often being a translation of the original Japanese in an easier to understand/cool sounding formate; why say Far Seeing Plan when you can say Excogitation. Also, here is something I wrote a while back about the Broil line of spells.
    A few further points:
    • I'd have to find the Yoshida/Koji interview that discussed it, but Yoshida himself mentioned that when a particular job draws at all from European motifs or historical reference, the English names are generally devised first. This definitely doesn't seem to be the case with Broil, but I'd hazard the references are intentional for Leeches and Galvanize, while Physick is just the obvious "academicification" of your typical "heal" spell. Note also that while the French words may follow more obvious thematic connections between their abilities ("Law", "Dogma", "Strategy", and "Treaty"), they and the German words are mostly direct translations from the English words, not the Japanese.

    • Leeches were primarily a way of sucking blood from the body to cure "excess of blood", one of the four types of humors (from the greek χυμός, meaning "sap") of the body, similar to the four elements, which needed to be each be within an acceptable range and balanced against each other in an acceptable range. Excess blood was usually associated with hyperactivity, giddiness, manic swings, and the like. More effectively, it was also used on actual skin problems, hemorrhoids, or the like. However, since the treatment -- via leeches -- of the "blood" humor was so much easier than of black bile or yellow bile (the last being phlegm), leech treatment tended to be horrifically overused.
    • Physic is literally an old word for "cure". Because it later came to mean a "natural cure", which then in turn became "natural medicine", and then the most common natural medicine (separate from "herbs" alone) became those of teas or laxatives, and people didn't necessarily want to sip laxatives for a calming drink... physick finally more often referred to laxatives. We can safely assume here though that it still literally means "to cure" or "to heal", as it did previously. Contrary to frequent opinion on these forums, we aren't actually trying to make tanks **** themselves.
    • Galvanize has a bit of a complex history. Even now its literal meaning is to induce a muscle contraction via electricity, which gives you a much closer idea of its origin: Luigi Galvani, who experimented on muscle-electricity interaction and whose works later became the basis for theories of (re)animation and, more famously, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Now, of course, the term more often takes after its metaphorical relationship to electricity -- to "shock" something into action. I also wouldn't doubt that its use in, say, "galvanized steel" (electrically coupling a coating of tin to iron or steel to protect the underlying metal from rust) is also an intended reference.
    • It's not as if the non-Japanese translations of Scholar abilities lack their own humor (modern meaning); Adloquium, for instance, is literally just reassuring words, or a speech (-loquium) of purpose for some action or against some negative circumstance (ad-).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    .[*]Physic is literally an old word for "cure". Because it later came to mean a "natural cure", which then in turn became "natural medicine", and then the most common natural medicine (separate from "herbs" alone) became those of teas or laxatives, and people didn't necessarily want to sip laxatives for a calming drink... physick finally more often referred to laxatives. We can safely assume here though that it still literally means "to cure" or "to heal", as it did previously. Contrary to frequent opinion on these forums, we aren't actually trying to make tanks **** themselves
    That may be, but I'm pretty sure I will never again cast physick without thinking of this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wawachume View Post
    That may be, but I'm pretty sure I will never again cast physick without thinking of this thread.
    At least we only use it if literally everything has gone to...

    I'm sorry. And too true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wawachume View Post
    That may be, but I'm pretty sure I will never again cast physick without thinking of this thread.
    You get a laxative, and you get a laxative, and you get a laxative, EVERBODY GETS A LAXATIVE!!!
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