How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[J-Reyno]

I wanted to see how other tank players felt about tank damage and I find it super interesting that a few people somehow felt threatened about the discussion and decided to run in here barking and biting about it. It's good to know that many others feel the same, though. What Freyyy said is right, the role just doesn't feel as impactful. 95% of your active gameplay when tanking is dealing damage, keeping your rotation up. The role already suffers with retention even with a new shiny job.

this isn't talking about optimizing their dps as tanks,its literally comparing tanks dps to the dps of the actuall dps classes and wanting to have the same amount as them.

I've refrained from addressing you in particular because you've been wrong from the start and clearly lacked comprehension, which is exhausting to deal with. But since you insist on regurgitating nonsense I'm going to point you to the original post where I state it's my opinion that tanks should do a solid 1k more damage. Do you know where the current damage values of the jobs are? No, you obviously don't. Because 1k more damage for tank jobs will NOT put them at the same damage values as dps. It's still not even close. I encourage you to check the damage values before you post again. I'm sure you won't but just know that you're clowning right now because you're participating in a conversation where you don't know what's going on.

What's more, I didn't even make a direct comparison between my damage on dps to tanks. I compared my damage between playing tanks and when I'm playing SCH in the op. You've either forgotten to read the topic before posting and made wild assumptions or you're trolling in an intentional effort to derail the conversation. Just know that I and others see what you're doing.

[Kabooa]

I wanted to see how other tank players felt about tank damage and I find it super interesting that a few people somehow felt threatened about the discussion and decided to run in here barking and biting about it.

I find it super interesting that your feeling of impact is solely based on the leading digit of a third party program.

[J-Reyno]

I find it super interesting that your feeling of impact is solely based on the leading digit of a third party program.

I'm going to do you a favor and assume that you're genuinely interested in a conversation. So to help, here are some pointers on how to appropriately engage others when you're looking to have a discussion.

1) Do not present your own reductionist version of an argument for the sole purpose of making it sound more trivial without addressing the breadth of the concerns. It gets us nowhere.
2) Read through the thread. I have, in earlier comments, explained why damage numbers make a difference to me. Others players have done the same. If by "I find it super interesting" you mean that you're genuinely interested to know and your comment isn't just copying my words in a poor attempt at snark, then you would have already found the answer by reading.
3) Be careful when assuming things that are not explicitly stated in comments. I am here to discuss damage and I specify that in the topic. You do not know if damage is the only thing that affects how I feel about the impact of a role, only that it is a contributing factor and that it is probably my primary concern. Critical thinking could even lead you to believe that I'm here to discuss damage specifically because it's the easiest adjustment that can be made to tanks. And to chuck a little of #2 in here, if you'd read previous comments you might even see that I've alluded to other elements that tanks lack which could have made them impactful. Extra credit if you find that.

I'm going to guess that ultimately the topic at hand doesn't matter to you and you feel like the damage values of tanks is unimportant or that it's fine where it is. I doubt you'll be able to understand that littering a thread with snark about a topic with which you've already stated your disagreement accomplishes nothing and is childish. It doesn't sound like you have much else to contribute besides re-stating your difference of opinion, but I'm sure you'll find new and "clever" ways to do that all the same. Please look forward to it, everyone.

[Kabooa]

I'm going to do you a favor and assume that you're genuinely interested in a conversation. So to help, here are some pointers on how to appropriately engage others when you're looking to have a discussion.

Follow your own advice.

People pushing back against it isn't being "threatened", it's understanding that each role has innate weaknesses that are not designed flaws.

Tanks dealing significantly less damage than DPS isn't a design flaw. Healers being able to keep up with Tanks isn't a design flaw.

Tacking on an arbitrary number for the sake of your own satisfaction ultimately doesn't fix the non-problem that you're presented with, seeing as if we keep the same scaling we have now, we'll just be back here six months from now when the iLevel jumps to 500 even with a "every GCD action gets +40 potency" bandaid fix on it.

This is just the new "Accessories should have strength", "Accessories should scale the same as others", "Stance shouldn't have a damage penalty" thread that we've seen over and over again ad nausem.

You want to do more damage, and damn whatever else has to change for it.

If you get your free 1000 DPS here, I can't wait to see what it'll be tomorrow.

[CrimsonGunner]

nonsense

you really not worth commenting but i will and it will be my last here cause what you are doing is the actual trolling and i am done dealing with your nonsense.

your entire topic was and still is comparing tank dps to the other classes (healers and dps), not only that but even before my post ,you and others compared the tanks dps to the other roles.
even before me, there were those that told you that tanks dps isn't that important cause the true value and impact of a tank doesn't come from dps.
if the comparison was only between healer dps and tanks dps it would make somewhat sense to me and not that big issue but it wasn't and dragged to comparing to the dps classes(which if it was just about healers wouldn't need to be relevant) even though you didn't said it but it came to the point of actual saying tanks are like dps. all that before my post that you so called claimed had derailed the topic.

if tanks dps was low to actually interfere with content it could have been just to up their damage.
if healers truly do more dps then tanks which still isn't the case but as i said before it can be somewhat a legitimate concern since in mmo tanks dps is higher then the support/healer and as a healer you should already know that healers don't have enough healing moments and have nothing to do during healing downtime except dps also that most healer community want to do more then just spam broil/malefic/glare (and yes WHM compare to the other healers deal more dps but as a healer you should have known that).

but your entire complain to why up tanks dps is only cause of the numbers shown in some log aren't to your liking.
dps disparity between the roles as said is irreverent and i definitely never derailed the thread cause this topic as you said is to up tank dps cause the numbers aren't big enough for you and others compare to healers and it being too low compare to dps.

as i said in that comment i had enough since not only the comparisons between roles is irrelevant but its went as far as comparing and crying they aren't at dps classes damage level. tanks contribute more to party then just mere dps numbers.
like another user said its comparing apples to rocks and all your explanations to up dps is basically to feel macho at the logs when tank contribute is more then just dps numbers.

your topic wasn't a matter of "whats the big deal to up tanks by 1k" as you try to make it out to be but it actually the matter which you still argue is actually to up dps cause some numbers in some log look too close compare to healers and started spiraling about comparing and bringing it up to dps class level just to feel rewarded.
so claiming that i was "trolling" in intentional effort to derail the conversations not only rude and insulting but its shows how much your willing to bend logic,twist people posts and even discredit people just to justify your precious dps fetish.