Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[Mavrias]

So let me get this straight:

You got into an argument with someone in a dungeon, the party gets tired of it, kicks you, and now you want free tomes because once in WoW your account got hacked and a GM restored your items. Because those are equivalent situations somehow?

[Alklios]

So let me get this straight:

You got into an argument with someone in a dungeon, the party gets tired of it, kicks you, and now you want free tomes because once in WoW your account got hacked and a GM restored your items. Because those are equivalent situations somehow?

I was not AFK. I was not offline. I did not match any criteria for a kick. Yes, for a half hour of my time I think I should be given the due currency a player had power to abuse and deny me.

Hacking and wrongful use of kick are both violations of ToS to grief a player. That's the equivalence. Please place your strawmen elsewhere.

[Mavrias]

I was not AFK. I was not offline. I did not match any criteria for a kick. Yes, for a half hour of my time I think I should be given the due currency a player had power to abuse and deny me.

Hacking and wrongful use of kick are both violations of ToS to grief a player. That's the equivalence. Please place your strawmen elsewhere.

You can kick for just about any reason, not just those. You can be kicked cause someone doesnt like your glamour. Also depending on the nature of the argument whatever it was, they likely chose harassment.

You can say its wrongful all you like, doesnt make it true. Especially since we only have your side of the story and by your own admission there was a "disagreement."

[Alklios]

You can kick for just about any reason, not just those. You can be kicked cause someone doesnt like your glamour. Also depending on the nature of the argument whatever it was, they likely chose harassment.

You can say its wrongful all you like, doesnt make it true. Especially since we only have your side of the story and by your own admission there was a "disagreement."

https://imgur.com/a/KtzwUWV

This image disagrees with you. Disagreement does not equal harassment. The GMs will say blacklist.

What makes a wrongful kick is a wrongful kick. 'Disagreeing with healer' is not an option here.

I advise against soliciting people to break rules by wrongfully informing them that there can be any reason outside of these for a justifiable kick.

Likewise, please do not derail this thread into being about me seeming to want to earn anyone to my side. Refer to quote: "My suggestion is that after a thorough investigation of a wrongful use of vote-kick in a dungeon, the player accosted should receive a full reimbursement of the tomes and currency (additionally adventurer in need, if applicable) denied."

GM decides fault, and if in favor of the victim, they should receive reimbursement.

[Mavrias]

https://imgur.com/a/KtzwUWV

This image disagrees with you. Disagreement does not equal harassment. The GMs will say blacklist.

What makes a wrongful kick is a wrongful kick. 'Disagreeing with healer' is not an option here.

I advise against soliciting people to break rules by wrongfully informing them that there can be any reason outside of these for a justifiable kick.

Likewise, please do not derail this thread into being about me seeming to want to earn anyone to my side. Refer to quote: "My suggestion is that after a thorough investigation of a wrongful use of vote-kick in a dungeon, the player accosted should receive a full reimbursement of the tomes and currency (additionally adventurer in need, if applicable) denied."

GM decides fault, and if in favor of the victim, they should receive rewards.

Not all disagreements are harassment but some are.

GMs have said multiple times that there are reasons to kick beyond those listed that are still valid. A tank thats just dpsing in a dungeon but not actually holding threat or a party member wearing level 30 gear in a level 80 dungeon are both valid reasons to kick for example.

You can advise whatever you like, homie. Just like i can advise you that if youre getting kicked its likely not for no reason. You mentioned its not the first time its happened to you so if i were you i'd examine my own behavior thoroughly.

[Alklios]

Not all disagreements are harassment but some are.

GMs have said multiple times that there are reasons to kick beyond those listed that are still valid. A tank thats just dpsing in a dungeon but not actually holding threat or a party member wearing level 30 gear in a level 80 dungeon are both valid reasons to kick for example.

You can advise whatever you like, homie. Just like i can advise you that if youre getting kicked its likely not for no reason. You mentioned its not the first time its happened to you so if i were you i'd examine my own behavior thoroughly.

A wrongful kick is a wrongful kick whether it happens 1, 10 or 100 times.
It doesn't take much review to know that disagreements on BiS falls under none of the criteria existing for vote kicks.
Also do not believe that having an offending glamour is viable either.

But I'll just restate it again: I believe victims of wrongful kicks should be reimbursed for the in game rewards they were denied.

[Mavrias]

A wrongful kick is a wrongful kick whether it happens 1, 10 or 100 times.
It doesn't take much review to know that disagreements on BiS falls under none of the criteria existing for vote kicks.
Also do not believe that having an offending glamour is viable either.

But I'll just restate it again: I believe victims of wrongful kicks should be reimbursed for the in game rewards they were denied.

If you meet a bad egg in the morning, you met a bad egg that morning. If you meet 100 bad eggs over the course of the day, you might be the bad egg.

[MrMagic]

But I'll just restate it again: I believe victims of wrongful kicks should be reimbursed for the in game rewards they were denied.

You get that vote abandon is a thing right? You didn't earn the reward so there is nothing to "reimburse". As unlikely as it is to have to abandon the dungeon at that stage, it's just as unlikely that this happens frequently to you. If it does, well...

[Runekaster]

You guys, he may have not actually told us anything that happened, but he did drop a breadcrumb back on page 2.

It doesn't take much review to know that disagreements on BiS falls under none of the criteria existing for vote kicks.

There you go :P

[Alklios]

So let me get this straight:

You got into an argument with someone in a dungeon, the party gets tired of it, kicks you, and now you want free tomes because once in WoW your account got hacked and a GM restored your items. Because those are equivalent situations somehow?

I feel as if you believe people should be kicked due to difference of opinion, you may be part of the problem. Unjustified. Civil people can agree to disagree and get a job done.