SE better do something or the game will drop dead

[djjdiss]

You say it
Forget the housing system, forget the chocobo raising, forget the chocobo battle, forget the crystal tower, forget Odin, forget the free company and forget 2 PvP modes
/sarcasm

Yes forget those because that isn't part of the 2.0 launch like I mentioned.

KaiKatzchen posted below you shooting herself in the foot by reaffirming what I had stated.

It seems I'm not the one who's dyslexic here.

This is [SIZE="5"]EXACTLY[/SIZE] why I said that it appears as though most of you have no idea what 2.0 actually is. The general cross section thinks they're getting all that and a bag of chips in 2.0

[SIZE="5"]WRONG[/SIZE]

You're going to get most of that content in the following 11 months of 2013.


So if we want to be realistic, we should be excited for Q2 of 2013, NOT 2.0

It just baffles me how many of you seem to have yourselves and others convinced that 2.0 is the Holy Grail of content for this game lol.

I'm sorry but if a game took 3 years to finally lay it's foundation, NOT BUILD IT'S STRUCTURE, but lay it's foundation to be ready for making 50-100k players happy at all times, then [SIZE="5"]SOMETHING IS SERISOUSLY WRONG!!!![/SIZE]

[KaiKatzchen]

KaiKatzchen posted below you shooting herself in the foot by reaffirming what I had stated.

lol really now? I would love to hear more on this stated philosophy?

I never stated that it was the Holy Grail of content, or that it would be game saving or that it was the god of gods.

I remember saying that it was a lot more than just a new server, graphics fix and UI fix, and posted everything that was coming from now up to 2.0 to support my comment.

So seeing how my comments have nothing to do with your post stating your “I can’t believe you guys think 2.0 is going to be the God of God’s fix” viewpoint, how exactly did I shoot myself in the foot?

[djjdiss]

lol really now? I would love to hear more on this stated philosophy?

I never stated that it was the Holy Grail of content, or that it would be game saving or that it was the god of gods.

I remember saying that it was a lot more than just a new server, graphics fix and UI fix, and posted everything that was coming from now up to 2.0 to support my comment.

So seeing how my comments have nothing to do with your post stating your “I can’t believe you guys think 2.0 is going to be the God of God’s fix” viewpoint, how exactly did I shoot myself in the foot?

Seeing as how I wasn't referring to just you when I said "guys", I feel that I don't need to explain myself any further there as you weren't included in that little boat.

What you DID post was a quote from me saying that 2.0 is only a new GFX engine, lanscapes and UI and then followed it with the quoted post of the projected changes to take place AFTER 2.0 proving my statement about patch 2.0 only including the aforementioned changes.

So if I really need to spell it out, I made a post saying 2.0 isn't anything special and you replied in an attempt to say otherwise, but only ended up solidifying my original statement. ( the philosophical foot has been shot)

So with that said and all ASSuming aside

[SIZE="5"]NO[/SIZE]

2.0 isn't more than a launch of the new GFX engine and UI elements in a new rebuilt world.

2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 etc. etc. will include what's in that lengthy list of promises from Yoshi.

You're a fool if you think you're going to get that much content before or in patch 2.0.

That content will be spoon fed to you at the rate molasses bleeds from trees. This is true for any mmo. They want to keep you anticipating and paying that monthly fee as long as possible.

Since I played my fair share of MMO's, I can safely assure you that promises mean little in the mmo business.

Thank you though for posting that here, as I was too tired to look for it when I made my OP. It's just the proof I needed lol.

[Coglin]

The way some people talk, it sounds as if they feel 2.0 is going to change EVERYTHING and magically become a new game. That's what I was referring to.

So what? Its called optimism. Deal with it. We are forced to deal with the consistant pessimism of the entire media, and 1/2 the posters here. You guys are like a bunch of high school idiots. You think your cool for running with the group, then you kick some class ner while he is down after the 7 of them bullied hin to the ground, and you all think it makes you look cool.

Alot of that won't be coming until after 2.0 or will be introduced to the old world before 2.0 and then just brought over. I wish I could find the stinkin post where Yoshi talked about priorities and what not. I think it was one of the Dev letters. Either way 2.0 won't be too dissimilar from the current world before it launches.

Your not even making sense here. Why would they remove content already in the game? The answer is they won't. You need to go read the roadmap of things to come that they posted, or else study the term "chronological order". Because either way you seem somewhat confused about the order of the happenings in the plans they released to us.

ya but comon. You and I both know the landscape is about as drab and boring as MMO's come. There's really only a few caves and dungeons that have a unique look and color pallet to them.


Nope, I disagree with you. The graphis in this game out do most other MMOs. Similar backgrounds in similar regions also assit with seamless zones.

Sorry, I'm the lazy type that hates finding links XD I know it's around here somewhere. Yoshi gave us a projected skills list for the jobs. Most of what was in that list seemed like recycled content, while only a handful seemed to have been freshly programed skills. If I find where it's at i'll link it here in an edit.

I call BS, you can't find it because you don't want to post links that prove your facts as misinformation.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

PLD:
-Redirects a melee attack against the target party member to you.
-Grants a HoT effect on all party members within range when a healing spell is cast on you.
-Grants imperviousness to melee attacks. Effect fades upon moving.
-Restores target's HP. When cast on another player, restores 50% of their HP in addition to a portion of your own.
-Melee attack.Combo: GLA WS 9, Bonus: Increased damage based on your remaining HP.

WAR:
-Redirects a portion of the next damage you sustain back to its source.
-Redirects enmity generated by target party member's next attack to you.
-Grants an additional attack to the next weaponskill used.
-Increases the maximum HP and attack power of all party members within range, and removes any Sleep effects. Stuns all enemies within range.
-AoE attack. Consumes MRD Ability 5 effect if active to increase damage.....Combo: MRD WS 2, Bonus: Crit.

MNK:
-Adds kicks to auto-attacks. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is continually consumed while effect is active.
-Prevents target from executing actions or moving. MP is continually consumed while effect is active. Effect fades upon executing an action, or if you or the target sustain damage.
-Converts your attacks into wind attacks and grants a bonus to evasion. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is continually consumed while effect is active. Cannot be used simultaneously with PGL Ability 5 or PGL Ability 6.
-Twofold melee attack.....Combo: PGL WS 8, Bonus: Chance to render target unable to use weaponskills.
-Temporarily increases attack speed.

DRG:
-Performs a jumping attack on the target.
-Performs a jumping evasion and attack that triggers when you are attacked.
-Deals fire damage to all enemies within range of the target
-Short-range attack.
Combo: LNC WS 2, Bonus: Draws in enemies with enmity towards you.
-AoE melee attack.
Combo: LNC WS 6, Bonus: Increased crit rate.

BRD:
-Increases the maximum HP and certain magic effects of all party members within range.
-Deals damage to all enemies within range of the target...Combo: ARC WS 4, Bonus: Chance to inflict Stun
-Gradually restores the MP of all party members within range.
-Increases the physical and magic accuracy of all party members within range.
-Gradually increases the TP of all party members within range.

WHM:
-Eliminates cast time of next spell.
-Instantly restores HP of all party members.
-Gradually restores the target's HP.
-Consumes all MP to deal damage to all enemies within range. Chance to inflict Bind.
-Removes an enfeebling effect from the target.

BLM:
-Switches current HP and MP values.
-Deals lightning damage to target.
Combo: THM Magic 9, Bonus: Lower health yields greater damage.
-Puts all enemies within range of the target to sleep
-Deals fire damage to all enemies within range. Chance to inflict DoT effect.
-Deals ice damage to target and reduces enmity.

Yeah, you said " Most of what was in that list seemed like recycled content" you seem to be incapable of distinguishing whats real and your idea of what you though was real. I want you to show us how "most" meaning more then 1/2 are recycled.

It's in green

[djjdiss]

So what? Its called optimism.

There's a big difference between optimism and hardcore fan-fueled clouded judgement, which is most of what these "Pollyanna" sounding posts are filled with. If me stating the predictions based raw data and history in the mmo industry or correcting fallacies about what's coming in 2.0 is too much for you, then by all means go find a "feel good" thread and spend your time there.

Your not even making sense here.

Is it that i'm not making sense or that your interpretation skills are just a WEE bit rusty? I never said they would remove content. For that matter, NO ONE has said that. Anything put into the game now, is going to be brought over in 2.0. That's all that was said... Nothing more.

Thanks for posting the list of skills I was looking for. Now lets dissect them.

PLD: various cures. (we all expected these, just more Cures...)
Grants imperviousness to melee attacks. Effect fades upon moving. (welcome to the new Sentinel)
Redirects a melee attack against the target party member to you. (glorified taunt nothing new)

WAR: Redirects a portion of the next damage you sustain back to its source (Hey look at that a new skill! Chalk one up!)
Oh wait it's just reverse Bloodbath...
AoE attack. Consumes MRD Ability 5 effect (welcome to the new Storms Path)
Grants an additional attack to the next weaponskill used (welcome to the new Keen Flurry)
Increases the maximum HP and attack power of all party members (OMG a new buff!! jump for joy Chalk 2 up)

MNK: Adds kicks to auto-attacks (Tell me, how hard do you think this copy pasta skill was to program?) LOL
Prevents target from executing actions or moving (smells like a glorified Sleep to me with more restrictions)
Converts your attacks into wind attacks (same BS different element and stat boost)
Twofold melee attack...with a chance to prevent enemy from using wep skills (Same thing as Fracture *yawn)
Increases attack speed (OMG did MNK get a new skill!!!! oh nvm it's just Speed Surge w/o the HP absorb)

DRG: Performs a jumping attack on the target (Sounds like Doomspike to me - the AOE)
Performs a jumping evasion and attack that triggers when you are attacked (hmm seems creative enough, what the hell Chalk 4 up!!!)
Deals fire damage to all enemies within range of the target (Sounds like an AoE Fire back when CNJ had it, so unless the DRG lights his fart to perform Firaga, I'm saying no for now)
Short-range attack (umm.....) Combo: Draws in enemies with enmity towards you (oooo hey look at that NOW were talkin. Way to get creative SE chalk 5 up!!!)
AoE melee attack (too vague)

BRD: Increases the maximum HP and certain magic effects of all party members ( wait a minuet, Didn't I just read something similar to this in the WAR section? Oh well...)
Deals damage to all enemies within range of the target (welcome to the new Wide Volley)

Gradually restores the MP of all party members (Shroud of Saints - enimity shed + AoE feature...)
Increases the physical and magic accuracy of all party members (Did they just smash Dark Seal and Hawks Eye together in an AOE? For SHAMMME)
Gradually increases the TP of all party members (Invigorate with an AoE effect...)

WHM: Eliminates cast time of next spell ( oh HI Chainspell there you are man i missed you...)
Instantly restores HP of all party members (guessing it's curaga with no cast time or AOE Second Wind...)
Gradually restores the target's HP (aww how nice, they gave us Sacrifice back and took away the HP cost. Boy wasnt that sweet...)
Consumes all MP to deal damage to all enemies within range. Chance to inflict Bind (Uh oh Uh oh! Is that semi-creativity I smell? GOLD STAR for you SE chalk up 6!!)
Removes an enfeebling effect from the target. (looky there, Contagion got a Facelift and a nerf at the same time...)


BLM: Switches current HP and MP values (Even tho this is copy pasta from XI i'll give credit for the fact that it's new here chalk up 7!)
Deals lightning damage to target (Sounds like Burst to me..)
Puts all enemies within range of the target to sleep (ya that's new...LOL)
Deals fire damage to all enemies within range (Hey everyone Flares back in town and better than ever!...)
Deals ice damage to target and reduces enmity (Hey Freeze I'm lovin the makeover...)


Well there you have it. 7 truly new skills out of that list. The rest were recycled with additional clauses added to them or just more of what we already have. Boy I sure am excited, how about you? I bet you can't wait to slap on your nut-hugging BRD tights and strum me a tune on that manly harp-bow of yours can ya?

Lulz

[KaiKatzchen]

Seeing as how I wasn't referring to just you when I said "guys", I feel that I don't need to explain myself any further there as you weren't included in that little boat.

Really? You might not have been referring to ''just me" but you specifically said my name and said I shot myself in the foot. Also you said "I wasn't referring to just you when I said "guys"", meaning you were referencing me and others, since it wasn't "just me"?

So since you said my name specifically in your post you can tell me how I exactly did that. I feel I have a right to ask since you made a specific remark about me.

KaiKatzchen posted below you shooting herself in the foot by reaffirming what I had stated.

See! That be me!

[Renshi]

What are you guys discussing now, for what 2.0 will be?
2.0 will be 2.0. It'll have a lot of changes to the game and what else. We know what it'll have as content and things to do, so please put a sock on it =)

[djjdiss]

Lol I don't think I could have been any clearer in post #203.

You shot yourself in post #84 by backing me up instead of what you thought was the correct way of interpreting that long list of content you quoted in the same post.

Apparently you missed the word "after" in the first sentence of that post from Yoshi.

Now on to the group inclusion issue.

I think the only time I ever intended to include you in a group was when you made post #54 and said this:

But to say once you have killed the two primal you’re done is a very ignorant comment. There is a lot to do, and unless people have all of the above completed, every achievement and everything, people shouldn’t be whining about content.

Since there were a few others sharing those same ideals, I rolled that into the "those saying that..." part of my OP as I totally disagree with the above statement due to it's subjectivity.

Other than that you were off the hook free and clear

Thanks love, for being a good sport and all

[Coglin]

There's a big difference between optimism and hardcore fan-fueled clouded judgement, which is most of what these "Pollyanna" sounding posts are filled with. If me stating the predictions based raw data and history in the mmo industry or correcting fallacies about what's coming in 2.0 is too much for you, then by all means go find a "feel good" thread and spend your time there.



Is it that i'm not making sense or that your interpretation skills are just a WEE bit rusty? I never said they would remove content. For that matter, NO ONE has said that. Anything put into the game now, is going to be brought over in 2.0. That's all that was said... Nothing more.

You did. You claimed that there will be no dungeons or stronghold in the new landscape, and it won't be comming back toll updates that occure after 2.0.

Thanks for posting the list of skills I was looking for. I was too incompetent to aquire myself.

Long list of manipulated falacies I had to twist and stretch to suit my long winded unfounded point.

there took out the td:lr aspect of it for you.


I can twist any ability with your warped logic and call it a rehash of another. I mean yeah look at all those great books out there. All those cheaters did was use word that already existed, thus by your logic clearly every book every written is exactly a "lazy corner cutting" of the last.

And crayola with all those colors.....what liars right? evey one of them is a different combination of the 7 primary colors a human can see.

And all those movie makers lying to us with those movies in fancy colors whrn they only projected them in a mix of red, blue, and green.

[djjdiss]

We know what it'll have as content and things to do, so please put a sock on it =)

Well you might know, but some of these guys seem to have an understanding of patch 2.0 that's about as clear as mud.

I guess we can thank yoshi for confusing people by referring to the future of FFXIV as a patch number.

This implies that everything happens in 2.0, which is FAR from the truth.

2.0 only marks the starting point that FFXIV will begin it's first year of content heavy updates.

Hell most of the exciting stuff that yoshi makes us droll over isn't arriving until damn near 2014.