Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[Alleluia]

How often are you guys getting into dungeons where you actually feel burdened? I mean I’ve had an occasional bad DF run but the times I’ve actually felt like I was burdened have been extremely rare. I keep reading about this stuff on the forums but given how rare I actually see it in game the situation feels a bit exaggerated. I’m much more put off by someone having a bad attitude than I am someone still learning their job/rotation.

Its definitely exaggerated. Also, its people having unrealistic standards for PUG groups. A lot of the examples of "bad" players I'm seeing bandied about are just players who, either intentionally or unintentionally, are not working at optimal efficiency.

But a healer who doesn't use DPS skills every possible chance during healing downtime, but the group all lives and the dungeon gets cleared, is not a bad player and they're not wasting your time. They aren't treating the dungeon like a savage run, yeah. But they kept you alive, the bosses died. It was fine.

The way some people are talking here, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground between "bad" and "optimal", but in reality there very much is one. If you *really* can't bear not telling them how you think they can improve, be kind about it and don't assume you know what they do or do not understand without asking them first. But overall, some people just need to chill.

[Awha]

Its definitely exaggerated. Also, its people having unrealistic standards for PUG groups. A lot of the examples of "bad" players I'm seeing bandied about are just players who, either intentionally or unintentionally, are not working at optimal efficiency.

But a healer who doesn't use DPS skills every possible chance during healing downtime, but the group all lives and the dungeon gets cleared, is not a bad player and they're not wasting your time. They aren't treating the dungeon like a savage run, yeah. But they kept you alive, the bosses died. It was fine.

The way some people are talking here, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground between "bad" and "optimal", but in reality there very much is one. If you *really* can't bear not telling them how you think they can improve, be kind about it and don't assume you know what they do or do not understand without asking them first. But overall, some people just need to chill.

Out of curiosity, who are we to say if an standard is unrealistic, everyone has different standards. I do think it is safe to assume that most share the same end goal when running content which is to clear it, but is a goal itself a standard, or should it even be considered one? Do not get me wrong we can not agree with the view and when that happens people should leave or try to remove the element they do not agree with.

Also sorry English is not my native tongue

[Dogempire]

Out of curiosity, who are we to say if an standard is unrealistic, everyone has different standards. I do think it is safe to assume that most share the same end goal when running content which is to clear it, but is a goal itself a standard, or should it even be considered one? Do not get me wrong we can not agree with the view and when that happens people should leave or try to remove the element they do not agree with.

Also sorry English is not my native tongue

Unfortunately the only standard that you can ever expect from pugs is that they were competent enough to clear the content before the dungeon you're in, which is quite an easy standard considering that healers only need to heal to clear content, tanks only need to hold aggro and don't even need a good rotation to do so, and dps only need to deal damage, doesn't matter how much, just damage, and obviously on top of that you need to be able to do mechanics or find a party good enough to carry you, neither of which is too hard.

[Nedkel]

Its definitely exaggerated. Also, its people having unrealistic standards for PUG groups. A lot of the examples of "bad" players I'm seeing bandied about are just players who, either intentionally or unintentionally, are not working at optimal efficiency.

But a healer who doesn't use DPS skills every possible chance during healing downtime, but the group all lives and the dungeon gets cleared, is not a bad player and they're not wasting your time. They aren't treating the dungeon like a savage run, yeah. But they kept you alive, the bosses died. It was fine.

The way some people are talking here, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground between "bad" and "optimal", but in reality there very much is one. If you *really* can't bear not telling them how you think they can improve, be kind about it and don't assume you know what they do or do not understand without asking them first. But overall, some people just need to chill.

Speaking about unrealistic approach to pugs.
You would be pretty surprised how many many many many many players are simply not aoeing in dungeons or how many many many healers are using only GCD heals to heal your tank, going oom quickly and just standing there waiting for regen.
A ton of guys get into the game, buy jump potions and just use like 6 skills at best, it was a plague when the expansion started to the point where i refused to do duties.
Because of that i dont run parser anymore, because seeing dps doing less dps than my tank in dungeons just makes me sick.