Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[Zerathor]

start digging

second. still absurd. To even think rez mage would be above smn if anything else.

you didn't think i would.

You just want rez mage to be meta in speed runs, as well as prog, which idk why it would. And to make pure damage jobs worthless ontop of all that.

[Kabooa]

you didn't think i would..

Undertale front-manning determination forgot just how potent spite can be.

[Zerathor]

Undertale front-manning determination forgot just how potent spite can be.

I'm sorry but there is nothing but spite for people who want pure damage jobs to be irrelevant. The people that have wet dreams for stormblood 2.0

[Zyneste]

second. still absurd. To even think rez mage would be above smn if anything else.

you didn't think i would.

You just want rez mage to be meta in speed runs, as well as prog, which idk why it would. And to make pure damage jobs worthless ontop of all that.

I think you're misinterpreting what she was saying.

She wants RDM to bring second highest RDPS contribution behind dancer and tied with NIN. Changing up embolden to all damage would put us allot closer to that. Its the typical model for classes that deal low personal damage.

High PDPS > Hybrid PDPS > Low PDPS.
Low RDPS < Hybrid DPS < High RDPS.

Examples are:
MCH BRD DNC
WHM SCH AST
BLM SMN RDM

[Zerathor]

I think you're misinterpreting what she was saying.

She wants RDM to bring second highest RDPS contribution behind dancer and tied with NIN. Changing up embolden to all damage would put us allot closer to that. Its the typical model for classes that deal low personal damage.

High PDPS > Hybrid PDPS > Low PDPS.
Low RDPS < Hybrid DPS < High RDPS.

Examples are:
MCH BRD DNC
WHM SCH AST
BLM SMN RDM

rdps is the only thing that matters. they want rdm to be the superior caster for both prog and speed runs, end of story.

[Archwizard]

rdps is the only thing that matters.

You're half-right? But also hilariously, painfully, ludicrously wrong.

So it's like this right: BLM is the caster with the highest personal DPS, and always shall be so long as it brings no group utility. While RDM may contribute more to raid damage via the use of buffs like Embolden, it's situational, in that it needs jobs that can reasonably reap the benefits of Embolden (which of course notoriously excludes other casters). Even if you brought mostly utility jobs whose focus is on maximizing raid damage, you would still want a competent BLM or similar job to stack and focus-cast those buffs on.
+10% to whatever damage RDM is doing maybe puts it on level with an unbuffed BLM for a couple seconds. +10% damage to the BLM blows everyone else out of the water, and invites a lot of other +% buffs from everyone else.

There's a place for both personal and raid DPS, and raid DPS scales only with the personal DPS it can amplify.

As for "the superior caster for both prog and speed runs"... personally I'd just want to see RDMs represented across the spectrum, not necessarily on top, but not limited only to progression runs either. The idea of any job being limited purely to progression or purely to farm is very gatekeep-y.

[Zerathor]

You're half-right? But also hilariously, painfully, ludicrously wrong.

So it's like this right: BLM is the caster with the highest personal DPS, and always shall be so long as it brings no group utility. While RDM may contribute more to raid damage via the use of buffs like Embolden, it's situational, in that it needs jobs that can reasonably reap the benefits of Embolden (which of course notoriously excludes other casters). Even if you brought mostly utility jobs whose focus is on maximizing raid damage, you would still want a competent BLM or similar job to stack and focus-cast those buffs on.
+10% to whatever damage RDM is doing maybe puts it on level with a BLM for a couple seconds. +10% damage to the BLM blows everyone else out of the water, and invites a lot of other +% buffs from everyone else.

There's a place for both personal and raid DPS, and raid DPS scales only with the personal DPS it can amplify.

As for "the superior caster for both prog and speed runs"... personally I'd just want to see RDMs represented across the spectrum, not necessarily on top, but not limited only to progression runs either.

blm has been the highest personal dps for a while. there was a reason it wasn't preferred in stormblood. its rdps being superior to pdps, even before regular people really understood that. So I believe you're hilariously wrong, or haven't played this game too long.

[Archwizard]

blm has been the highest personal dps for a while. there was a reason it wasn't preferred in stormblood. its rdps being superior to pdps, even before regular people really understood that.

Again, yes and no. In Stormblood half the issue was that the majority of DPS buffs a group could bring were focused on melee jobs -- vulnerability debuffs from every DoW and buffs like Embolden, versus literally only Contagion to buff magic DPS. RDM fit better with that composition because the team was better suited to stacking buffs on a melee.
Had there been just as many effects stacked in favor of casters we wouldn't see such an arrangement -- or as now, where many of those melee- or magic-specific effects have been stripped away or turned into general buffs with the notable exception of Embolden; no RDM on the team, no problem for the BLM, which is fairly standard anyway.

The other half being that BLM in Stormblood had limited mobility which could only be overcome with an intimate knowledge of the fight in the first place, weakening its position in progression next to two more mobile casters who offered rezzes.

[Wayfinder3]

I think you're misinterpreting what she was saying.

She wants RDM to bring second highest RDPS contribution behind dancer and tied with NIN. Changing up embolden to all damage would put us allot closer to that. Its the typical model for classes that deal low personal damage.

High PDPS > Hybrid PDPS > Low PDPS.
Low RDPS < Hybrid DPS < High RDPS.

Examples are:
MCH BRD DNC
WHM SCH AST
BLM SMN RDM

Yes thats what im saying

rdps is the only thing that matters. they want rdm to be the superior caster for both prog and speed runs, end of story.

Never claimed that lmao

[Zerathor]

Yes thats what im saying



Never claimed that lmao

no idea how that isn't what you're implying. This looks a lot more like purely buff dps jobs will be superior highly to bringing a single high personal dps job