Can we please just have instanced housing already?

[Urthdigger]

I just think it's wrong that there's content in the game still receiving updates (Gardening, airships...) that is LITERALLY impossible to do if you didn't grab a house when they first came out. I know not all content is designed for everyone to do, but there's a difference between gating things based on skill like Ultimates, and gating things based on who had the luckiest bot spamming buy requests at a placard.

[Big_Bap]

I just think it's wrong that there's content in the game still receiving updates (Gardening, airships...) that is LITERALLY impossible to do if you didn't grab a house when they first came out. I know not all content is designed for everyone to do, but there's a difference between gating things based on skill like Ultimates, and gating things based on who had the luckiest bot spamming buy requests at a placard.

/yawn

[Strywin]

/yawn

lmao you sure showed him bro.

[Shougun]

Even if they added exactly 1 plot for every FC and player that could want one they still would have issues with location, size, and theme location.

I believe instanced house(s) is going to be the superior option either way (ideally like Wildstar in features lol), even if they could make their current set up large enough to fit all the possible demand. As the larger they go the more ghost towns- people spreading out attempting to go for certain locations, themes, sizes, or don't share the spirit being friendly with thy neighbor. Majority of people I talk to, myself included, have never (or exceptionally rarely) seen their neighbor- there is one person who runs around in the area I go daily and I see them like twice a month lol. I believe some people use the neighborhood feeling to great effect, being next to their friends, and for them that's a strength, but I think we have plenty of wards now and we need now are an unlimited (to the extent it can directly meet what it's demanded to do lol) instanced house system that allows both ward and non-ward (instanced) house users a complete and improving experience. As an aside you can technically have neighborhood vibes via instances too like Wildstar's communities which was 5 /massive/ plots (larger than our large plots) put together with 5 houses and still have full customization (more creativity as it's your instanced area so it doesn't matter if you're allowed to make things float/scale, and more objects as you don't need to share data space with the stranger 5 blocks down).

I also say that without desire to destroy the wards for those who liked that, just a few pages back described how we might be able to have wards and instanced housing joined together so no one is left out (and the neighorhood system is enhanced as only those who want to experience it will stay), while we can then also have better features (even larger houses, larger plots, large structures like towers or worksheds, skybox and ground control, etc), and much better accessibility. "I want the new ishgard house" goes from "there are only smalls left 30 seconds into server opening" to "yeah sure of course, just spend the gil, quest time, or whatever resource to obtain that theme" - like Wild Star might be with "I want an aurora for my skybox".

So I guess even if they could make their current system work I'd rather they go instanced house format still, I don't think their current system even if capable of being expanded is more valuable to expand. Keep our current wards and not punish those who invested (by giving them that public location, like my Howel's Moving Castle example), but also get towards the more powerful, scale-able, flexible instanced system. Easier said than done of course lol. And upgrading apartments could be the start of that, but there is a lot more to the desire than adding a floor to an apartment (since you'd be able to upgrade to the point it was a house, it had land, etc).

[Sesera]

I just think it's wrong that there's content in the game still receiving updates (Gardening, airships...) that is LITERALLY impossible to do if you didn't grab a house when they first came out. I know not all content is designed for everyone to do, but there's a difference between gating things based on skill like Ultimates, and gating things based on who had the luckiest bot spamming buy requests at a placard.

I don't think you could have chosen any worst example here.

Airship is a FC feature and gardening is available for appartment.

[Shougun]

I don't think you could have chosen any worst example here.

Airship is a FC feature and gardening is available for appartment.

Unless some update flew me by you need a FC Workshop to do submarines and airship and you get a workshop by having a house. Meaning FC without houses are literally without a part of the FC content pipeline. You also need the workshop for some other unique FC features beyond airships and submarines (like aetherial wheels). Less importantly but something I like is the shared stable too- as I like to feed everyone's chocobo everyday.

Also for gardening you can't cross breed which is pretty important for gardening. The value of gardening is much higher when you can cross breed (much higher). There can be some nice things to grow in a pot that you don't need interaction, but without cross breeding you're going to miss a lot of good stuff and good cycles particularly (getting seed you used back or rare seeds you don't want to go farm).

[Skivvy]

I don't think you could have chosen any worst example here.

Airship is a FC feature and gardening is available for appartment.

Those examples are both fine.

There are a ton of FCs out there that aren't able to get housing due to the limited supply, therefore they are missing out on airships/subs.

For gardening, apartments can only do flower pots. You don't have access to a full garden, so therefore no cross-breeding which is how you get a lot of various materials.

[TheForce]

Why though? In neither of your posts did you really offer a reason as to why things should be as they are. Why should they be a luxury item? Square has aggressively marketed housing and its various features since their inception, and they continue to dump resources into it even though most of the player base doesn't have access to say a yard or gardening plots.

There's a few reasons, one of the main ones being that the current system establishes estates as highly valuable items. The fact that we even have the sense of luxury in the game at all is a plus imo. In MMOs, t's always good to have that distant goal to work towards, and acquiring an estate is one of them in this game. And what's cool is that, owning your own estate isn't the only option you have to gain access to a house. Like I stated in my previous reply, there's the apartment system, FC housing, and your buddy can even move you in to theirs.

Also, the current housing system allows more privacy and recreates an authentic neighborhood feeling. I personally think that's really awesome and unique. I can't speak for everybody, but I've befriended many of my neighbors and my FC's neighbors because of how the system is currently set up. By just walking around the ward and striking up some casual conversatiom with familiar faces, I've formed awesome relationships.

And one more reason would be that it's simply just different. Just about every MMO I've played in the past has had the Instanced Housing system you're all fighting for, and it's just getting a little old. I respect FF14 for having the courage to change things up a bit. It's not "wrong" or a "horrible" housing system, simply just a different take on it, and I appreciate that.

Now, are these reasons subjective? Of course. Are there also some cons with this system? Of course.
But the same can be said for any housing system. Some people will like certain things, some will dislike certain things. But that's just the way it is. That's why at the end of the day (at least when it comes to these kinds of issues) no housing system is going to be objectively "better" or "worse" than another, simply just different and some people will like it more than others.

[Sesera]

Unless some update flew me by you need a FC Workshop to do submarines and airship and you get a workshop by having a house. Meaning FC without houses are literally without a part of the FC content pipeline. You also need the workshop for some other unique FC features beyond airships and submarines (like aetherial wheels).

Also for gardening you can't cross breed which is pretty important for gardening. The value of gardening is much higher when you can cross breed (much higher). There can be some nice things to grow in a pot that you don't need interaction, but without cross breeding you're going to miss a lot of good stuff and good cycles particularly (getting seed you used back or rare seeds you don't want to go farm).

I didn't know about the breeding thing for appartment I guess its more limited than I knew (but the price is much lower). But if anyone as access to everything then down goes their value.
As for the airship/submarine you indeed need a FC house and yes even with FC only housing a lot wouldn't have access to it however most of the time things you get from airship/submarine are tradable (for a good price of course and not everyone will be able to put enough gils at first). For exemple I wanted the otter beach minion well I spent 6M on MB back then.

[Edax]

I say expand apartments, add Ishgard apartments and leave the current wards alone. Some of us don't want our communities destroyed by instanced housing.

And believe me, cross-breeding isn't that exciting. There's only one crop worth growing and that's Thav Onions, but since everyone is practically growing one crop the market is absolutely saturated with it and it's base components. Just look at the price of Curiel roots, their cheaper then many gathering items now.