If you are going to do a Live Letter

[NessaWyvern]

/facepalm...

Tell me you aren’t actually that flat of a person... if it’s obvious that a number is not possible then maybe consider its being for the purpose of exaggeration...

Hey, it wasnt my fault, you had worded it in a way that made it not clear that it was an exaggeration, just misleading. "80-103% of WoW players are Chinese, yet they still do everything in English"
What stats I could find makes it seem like it's more of a 40-60 split, with 40% being Chinese, with people doubting if the 40% is even accurate, due to the large amount of gil farming bots.
You're facepalm at me, but you made me do an even larger facepalm with your original comment XD

[Noitems]

Which is technically the point of contention. And why since a long while I have been partisan of just dropping live letters and do the content in a more "Nintendo Direct" Format with actual details instead of 3 hrs of ambiguous banter with very few things disclosed because its spoiler/surprise/secret/shenanigans. Even more so if its condition seems to be "Yoshi has to say it".



I do appreciate the people who go out of their way to translate as much as they do, but you'd think SE would put a bit more effort in the translation/summary being available sooner, if not dev blogs with hints.

I'll admit that they should have had a summed up dev blog entry coinciding with the PLL released minutes after. Maybe have it written before hand for the main details and leave the Saito/Taro notes in an edit.

[linay]

They are talking about a major update to game that you play each month for a subscription. This is important information for you to decide whether or not you will CONTINUE to SUBSCRIBE and pay for this service. If you don't have the information to make that decision, how can you decide whether to sub or not?

Personally, I always get enough information just from reading the slides, whether or not there is English translation. That's why I don't see it as a big deal, especially when there is usually an unofficial translation that gets the idea across and they will eventually release an official English digest.

[ForteNightshade]

There's more complaining in this thread than there is on the entirety of the Japanese side of the forums.

They don't complain on the forums. Have a visit to 2chan or unofficial forums and you'll find JP is not nearly as saintly and quiet as people like to portray.

[Mahrze]

I'll admit that they should have had a summed up dev blog entry coinciding with the PLL released minutes after. Maybe have it written before hand for the main details and leave the Saito/Taro notes in an edit.

This is entirely my opinion so feel free to flame it but:

The way I see LLPs at this point is more of Yoshi having to be "the first" to reveal/disclose to the players/audience information or be the face of it. And while I understand that he's the face that revided the game, that age is long passed. LLPs are 1-2 hrs that can usually be summed up in 20 mins or (very much likely) less since he tries to keep things as vague as possible to not take away from the hype until said patch.

I'd rather see a "Nintendo Direct"-like format maybe 2 weeks before every patch, detailing what's coming for the actual patch it addresses. They keep the hype train, they can have it available in various languages and I am sure its less time consuming and taxing for Yoshi, Foxclon and the gang.

For something like the chat with Taro? Similar to a podcast interaction and the like.

They don't complain on the forums. Have a visit to 2chan or unofficial forums and you'll find JP is not nearly as saintly and quiet as people like to portray.

Always amusing people think the JP community doesn't carry salt bags with them. "The grass is always greener on the other side" alright.

[shibeouya]

As a longtime fan of FFXIV, I had no issues with the first half of the LL, however I was completely baffled by the second half.

If a translator was impractical, maybe they should have structured the second half differently. But spending 1 hour talking about some important stuff about the creators in a language that less than half the playerbase would understand came out as completely disrespectful and misguided.

Who do you think is going to watch these streams? That's right, probably the most devoted fans. And here they're basically telling these fans that they don't really care about them.

And for those saying that they announced that audio was Japanese only - that is fine, but where exactly did it say that most of the LL would be audio-only, and thus completely useless to anyone not speaking Japanese?

I think they need to rethink how these LL are structured.

[Noitems]

This is entirely my opinion so feel free to flame it but:


The way I see LLPs at this point is more of Yoshi having to be "the first" to reveal/disclose to the players/audience information or be the face of it. And while I understand that he's the face that revided the game, that age is long passed. LLPs are 1-2 hrs that can usually be summed up in 20 mins or (very much likely) less since he tries to keep things as vague as possible to not take away from the hype until said patch.


I'd rather see a "Nintendo Direct"-like format maybe 2 weeks before every patch, detailing what's coming for the actual patch it addresses. They keep the hype train, they can have it available in various languages and I am sure its less time consuming and taxing for Yoshi, Foxclon and the gang.


For something like the chat with Taro? Similar to a podcast interaction and the like.

Not at all, everyone is allowed to an opinion.

I'm sure part of it is SE wanting them to be the main source of the info, with experiences like Blufever being frowned upon by him since they take the wind out of their sails. They could def manage to sum it up since it seems like they play it by ear and many people do lose interest from over time. Heck I could honestly hear the people in my discord just wonder when it would end since it did go on a bit.

I'd say for most people the PLL is just the slides, and they could def do with making them much faster, since that is the meat for many people. I'm not sure on Yoshi-P, Foxclon and everyone else's opinions on doing the PLL but to me I really enjoy them because of that stuff. There's something about seeing them actually take the time out of their day to be on stream, sometimes they read the comments on stream and make their own, or we get things like the banished IT guy from the Shadowbringers battle change PLL.

I don't know of too many devs who would go that far to relay the information in the way they do, but since the game itself is a MMO I think they want to make as personal as possible. I do love the Direct style things and I think in some ways they should adopt that as like an update style for 5.05 or so, but the PLL is something nice to have at least imo.

[Mahrze]

I don't know of too many devs who would go that far to relay the information in the way they do, but since the game itself is a MMO I think they want to make as personal as possible. I do love the Direct style things and I think in some ways they should adopt that as like an update style for 5.05 or so, but the PLL is something nice to have at least imo.

I agree a PLL/LLP is always nice to see ever so often. But much of it could easily be better in an offline format. and maybe keep the live ones for the big events like fan fests and the mediatour hypes?


For everything else, there's mastercard. /joke

[Kuroka]

The PLL was present at Tokyo Game Show, in Japan, where people mainly speak Japanese. While the game itself stretches across the world Japan is the main audience so they're going to speak plainly to them first and foremost.

Ok so the next Gamescon will be held in German only, no big deal right...? And we dont need Japanese on the next E3 as english is enough... lol

Fairly certain the implication here is referring to your comment about English being easy. English isn’t an easy language to for non-natives to learn. It’s actually fairly annoying. And I say that as a native English speaker. There’s a lot of rules and exceptions that may not make sense - and pronunciation isn’t always as straightforward as it could be. Comparing it to Japanese, English pronunciation is kind of a mess.

Im sry it was rly late >_>

It is, hands down. I learned it a bit in school but most of it i learned from reading stuff, watching anime or other shows and music... And as a native german speaker with some english - and one spanish - firends who learned german I can tell its hard enough.

But even IF you dont understand it at all, which IMO should be a basic to some level when playing online in mixed servers, you rather got someone to translate that then japanese.

Paying customers wanting access to the same information players in Japan are getting...how entitled.

I understand it was a Tokyo show, it makes 100% sense that there was no live translation. The problem is it takes them 2-3 weeks to get the english digest released. I don't see why they can't have a summary release within 2-3 days of the live letter.

This. We, or at least I, dont expect live subs, heck im fine if i dont get any at all, rly, its ok, but the info stuff that is fixed could have the translation imidiatly and not 3 weeks later. I remember that long ago we got that a lot faster...

What I wrote to HyoMinPark also applies to you. Not to mention that you clearly have no idea about how these things works. While the LL is scripted, they don't memorize nor read what they say, so you'll lose all the little tibdits that they mention quite often anyway. What's the matter with waiting for them to post the translated LL summary just this once? Aren't they offering a live translation on every other LL?

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Also, no, while most european children learn english at school, you would be surprised by the amount of them that have literally no clue about properly speaking in or understanding spoken english once they grow up. Because most of them don't use it on their daily lives, and they don't get the required practice and even forget it.

Uhm what? Im sry but rly, whut?? EVERYTHING they gonna talk about is planned, the freaking patch is fixed. Again im not demanding a full live subbed or english event, but the info they are gonna talk about, examples they gonna make, even vague, THAT is planned and so they could prepare at least a english version for that, like we used to have within few days.


I know that very well, as said most my english i learned myself but playing an online game should kinda let you use it at least a bit, even more nowadays with all the youtubers and whatever the kids have lol

And the school problem overall is another story, its just sad if ppl cant even calculate the m² they need to put out a flooring...



And yes sry i had to beat this dead horse as i was all day working without even a break, so sry if i got harsh or anything... it just lately feels empty, we dont even get some comunity streams... a weekly or bi weekly one to do some fights or stuff... like that would cost them anything... and then we dont even get info fast, despite them having to translate it anyways... *sight*

[Noitems]

Ok so the next Gamescon will be held in German only, no big deal right...? And we dont need Japanese on the next E3 as english is enough... lol

The reason I bring that point up is the game is developed in Japan, it's a Japanese game being shown at a Japanese specific gaming convention. Japan will always be the target demographic for the game, so much so that content like Eureka's Baldesion Arsenal was developed with the Japanese pug mindset to heart. They'll always put them first so to have them do a live letter in Japanese purely for the ease of access in Japan isn't too far fetched or absurd.

We can all agree that it wasn't the best for them to not have an English digest released along side the stream. However the slides basically showed you everything you really need to know at the time in English that a future dev blog will cover. That's the majority of what people care for in the game. The Nier banter stuff is thankfully archived due to the Subreddit and will most likely be touched upon in the Dev Blog post for it. Honestly the only real pieces of data shown during that were a couple of screenshots from the raid, mob/boss+arena design, the music piece (which was also titled in English), and the Patch Art. Which you can expect all of that in a digest post soon.

At this point I think it's just fine to let it go, and just read it through reddit to get your updates for this one specific PLL, until the dev blog puts up their entry. If a situation happens like this again on their own personal PLL (not at a Japanese convention) then I would be more concerned. For now I'll chalk this up to they assumed everyone would be getting the translation in some kind of way, especially considering the titles for the questions in the Nier talk was entirely in English.