If you are going to do a Live Letter

[Barraind]

That's not true, the EU community team of FFXIV for example is sitting in London

Are they? I know based on the info on their website regarding their staffing and open positions (for the last many years), every 14 (and 11) related job is listed as being staffed in one specific location in Japan and carries a requirement of Japanese fluency.

[Kuroka]

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

Pardon...?

Are they? I know based on the info on their website regarding their staffing and open positions, every 14 related job is listed as being staffed in one specific location in Japan and carries a requirement of Japanese fluency.

They are, when they looked for new german ppl it was said they gotta move to london. And they said so. And yes they mentioned their french coworkers from their stream. The stuff we order from SE store is from there as well... which is more expensive then gettin a CD from Playasia.... >_>

[HyoMinPark]

Pardon...?

Fairly certain the implication here is referring to your comment about English being easy. English isn’t an easy language to for non-natives to learn. It’s actually fairly annoying. And I say that as a native English speaker. There’s a lot of rules and exceptions that may not make sense - and pronunciation isn’t always as straightforward as it could be. Comparing it to Japanese, English pronunciation is kind of a mess.

[Vahlnir]

Fairly certain the implication here is referring to your comment about English being easy. English isn’t an easy language to for non-natives to learn. It’s actually fairly annoying. And I say that as a native English speaker. There’s a lot of rules and exceptions that may not make sense - and pronunciation isn’t always as straightforward as it could be. Comparing it to Japanese, English pronunciation is kind of a mess.

It also doesn't help that there are so many words that mean the same thing, or many different things. The English language confuses even me at times and I, too, am a native English speaker. I can't imagine what it's like for people to learn it.

[Gula]

It also doesn't help that there are so many words that mean the same thing, or many different things. The English language confuses even me at times and I, too, am a native English speaker. I can't imagine what it's like for people to learn it.

I Love Lucy knew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZV40f0cXF4

[Brill_]

Paying customers wanting access to the same information players in Japan are getting...how entitled.

I understand it was a Tokyo show, it makes 100% sense that there was no live translation. The problem is it takes them 2-3 weeks to get the english digest released. I don't see why they can't have a summary release within 2-3 days of the live letter.

[Vahlnir]

I Love Lucy knew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZV40f0cXF4

That is so dang accurate.

[Jybril]

Yes, so we sadly have to Wait for the translation afterwards. And then everyone will be on the same page before Patch 5.1

The issues is people are having to wait a while for them to translate it.
It'll be nice to not having to use other social media sites to get your info.
SE is a multibillionaire company, let's not pretend they're scrounging for money
and are a "small indie dev, please understand" meme that they couldn't afford
translators. Not only that, they gave us news on the website about said Live Letter then tell us
"Oh it's in Japanese only"....In English. They could find a way to appeal everyone here somehow.

Thats not aggression though, it was a question. Meanwhile 2 people come at me Metaphorically swinging because that upset them

I dunno, you kinda dug yourself in the grave with that one comment
so that's why you're getting tore a new one.

[Yshnal]

You know that some of the developers understand English, yes? Yoshida may not speak in English, but he can understand it. Foxclon understands it. SE has translators in its employ - but it’s “too much” for us to ask that they allocate some of those translators to service PLL translations that they are broadcasting to their global audience? We get these translators during Fanfests and Expansion PLLs - But we aren’t allowed them for Patch PLLs?

Your last bit is a strawman. English is a universal language. Compare that to any other language - even Japanese. They aren’t universal; English is.

Just because he understands english that doesn't mean that he's fluent enough to talk on a LL. And that's especially true when you know that japanese don't like to do it unless their english is perfect. On top of that they most probably felt that it would have been unpolite towards the japanese audience there. You would know if you weren't so close-minded and self-important. The world doesn't revolve around you (general "you"). There's other cultures, and life circumstances related to that, that you should respect. You'll get the same information eventually, once they translate it, so what's the matter? That you have to wait for it once per year? You can literally wait without it being an actual inconvenience for you, unlike the audience that was there.

About the "strawman", it was an example to show you how ridiculous this is. English may be the lingua franca nowadays, but you can't expect everyone to learn or use it. Is it nice if they do? Yes. But no one should be forced to use it, and much less on a local event with live constraints (read previous posts) preventing them to properly offer a free translation like they always do otherwise.

You cant compare english, a rly easy, worldwide spoken language to japanese... and where did i say they have to learn english?

And neither you can blame me, or any of us for the japanese style of work. If they'd close every other weekend or a patch is delayed a week so they have a vacation before its out few would complaine - i sure would not. Oh and just for you, i gotta add that im on twice the vacation of most my coworkers due how rarely i take days off.

Again you pretent its "extra work" but its not. They still got their stuff prepared and just hand it to the translators... the ones having actually more work or rather earlier are our Community guys...



Non english speaking is a joke on itself, for example most of europe has english in schools, at least SOME basic understanding should be there, even more now in the internet age. Its a language that links most of the world... as much as i love japanese and regret not learning it, its not exactly the most easy language out there...

What I wrote to HyoMinPark also applies to you. Not to mention that you clearly have no idea about how these things works. While the LL is scripted, they don't memorize nor read what they say, so you'll lose all the little tibdits that they mention quite often anyway. What's the matter with waiting for them to post the translated LL summary just this once? Aren't they offering a live translation on every other LL?

Really, I'm the first one to criticise SE (and I hate many things that they do), but there's no reason to do it now. You're being unreasonable, and unwilling to see why they didn't offer the usual live translation this time. This is the key point here. This was a special case, and they did the right thing.

Also, no, while most european children learn english at school, you would be surprised by the amount of them that have literally no clue about properly speaking in or understanding spoken english once they grow up. Because most of them don't use it on their daily lives, and they don't get the required practice and even forget it.

[Fyce]

You cant compare english, a rly easy, worldwide spoken language to japanese...

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

Pardon...?

They are saying that you are wrong. And you are. English is definitly not as "worldwide" and easy as you think.
It's a common misconception that got carried from the fact that english is the default language used in international trading. But we're not in that context here.