Please implement a lottery for plots instead of spamming placards for hours

[Casra]

Yeah...doesnt matter if youre "proactive" or not.
If you arent there at the right time you arent getting a house. Especially on a high pop server.
And you can put worth on something for someone else. Thats not for you to decide.
People (like myself) have those beliefs because weve seen it happen countless times.

Kenky is very pro=-SE housing, and it's very abrasive IMHO

[Kenky]

Kenky is very pro=-SE housing, and it's very abrasive IMHO

Not so much "Pro-SE" but more so "Anti-idiot".

The suggestions and recommendations offered by the playerbase have consequences and extreme issues with them that people refuse to admit or accept. The system that's currently in place is because people exploited the system. So what do you do? Suggest things that can easily be exploited

Lottery? Buy multiple tickets, since the general assumption is the "Ticket" is per character, not per account. Meaning someone with 8 characters has a much higher % chance.
Auction? Congratulations, you've alienated everyone but the richest folk on the server because they could jack up the price so high that nobody gets it.

Think about your recommendations and suggestions before suggesting them. Maybe then you won't fall into the same pitfalls as other people.

[Casra]

Not so much "Pro-SE" but more so "Anti-idiot".

The suggestions and recommendations offered by the playerbase have consequences and extreme issues with them that people refuse to admit or accept. The system that's currently in place is because people exploited the system. So what do you do? Suggest things that can easily be exploited

Lottery? Buy multiple tickets, since the general assumption is the "Ticket" is per character, not per account. Meaning someone with 8 characters has a much higher % chance.
Auction? Congratulations, you've alienated everyone but the richest folk on the server because they could jack up the price so high that nobody gets it.

Think about your recommendations and suggestions before suggesting them. Maybe then you won't fall into the same pitfalls as other people.

That you presume those that disagree with your position are idiots is very abrasive, and you proved me quite correct. You are toxic.

[Kenky]

That you presume those that disagree with your position are idiots is very abrasive, and you proved me quite correct. You are toxic.

People who disagree with me are fine, because that's generally how things go. Disagreement, discussion, consensus.

People who disagree with me and refuse to give a genuine reason why are indeed idiots purely because they have no other reason to disagree and spit venom, other than "because I can".
Also, good to see you have little to no actual content to respond to the above post. Nothing to try and change ones mind or views on how said recommendations could indeed be better. Boy how impactful your input is these days. Truly worth its weight in gold.

I'm fine with being labelled as "Toxic" if it means people actually talk about the issues in their posts. Y'know. Like how the Housing could be worked on? Potential suggestions and recommendations or otherwise general conversation on the pros and cons to said suggestions?

or, y'know.. Not make a thread and cry like a child, demanding someone be fired because you didn't get what you want? Sure does suck.

[Kenky]

I'm fine with being labelled as "Toxic" if it means people actually talk about the issues in their posts. Y'know. Like how the Housing could be worked on? Potential suggestions and recommendations or otherwise general conversation on the pros and cons to said suggestions?

Just for your sake, since you seem so adamant in not talking about the issues at hand or suggesting alternatives. Instead you just waste time telling me how I'm a bad person because I do things you dislike. Pity, really. It's either that or "You're just a troll" defense, which is laughably worse.

And with that, I'm done. It has just become so worthless to continue purely because people have taken the thread away from the actual problems and instead, turn it into a hatefest. (I know I am partially to blame for it and I accept that.)
Enjoy screaming into the void

[Jasmyne]

Just for your sake, since you seem so adamant in not talking about the issues at hand or suggesting alternatives. Instead you just waste time telling me how I'm a bad person because I do things you dislike. Pity, really. It's either that or "You're just a troll" defense, which is laughably worse.

Sure. I'm wasting time by calling you out for your "concern trolling" and "strawmen". I wouldn't say you're a bad person, but you sure act like one. You're no victim, you have done nothing but claim people believe things that they don't and put words in their mouth, yet you're saying that I'M wasting time. The way you criticize people is very passive aggressive and irritating, and most of it is completely disingenuous and untrue, I've pointed out many examples of this.

And that first comment there is exactly what I mean. You keep coming up with random strawmen that I've never said as a means to defend yourself. When did I ever use the "you're just a troll" defense? It's because my actual criticisms are valid yet you're not willing to acknowledge it, so you come up with something random to show everyone that I'm actually the bad person even though it's NOT what I said. I think you use trolly strategies but I don't think you're a troll. Your technique for arguing is actually very insidious and I'm not falling for this trap which is why you have no support.

And with that, I'm done. It has just become so worthless to continue purely because people have taken the thread away from the actual problems and instead, turn it into a hatefest. (I know I am partially to blame for it and I accept that.)
Enjoy screaming into the void

Classic. Give yourself the last word, play the victim, pass blame, and give a tiny bit of super vague admittance to your participation in this negativity. I've never once turned this into a "hatefest", that's how you see it because that's the kind of world that you constantly live in. If you forgot already, you're the first and ONLY person to use a personal insult (calling people idiots), no one else did that. Criticism isn't hate, you're not a victim.

Edit: Sorry for hijacking the thread if that's what I did.

[Jasmyne]

Not so much "Pro-SE" but more so "Anti-idiot".

The suggestions and recommendations offered by the playerbase have consequences and extreme issues with them that people refuse to admit or accept. The system that's currently in place is because people exploited the system. So what do you do? Suggest things that can easily be exploited

Lottery? Buy multiple tickets, since the general assumption is the "Ticket" is per character, not per account. Meaning someone with 8 characters has a much higher % chance.
Auction? Congratulations, you've alienated everyone but the richest folk on the server because they could jack up the price so high that nobody gets it.

Think about your recommendations and suggestions before suggesting them. Maybe then you won't fall into the same pitfalls as other people.

Anti-idiot? The system we have now can already be exploited with botting and third party macros. These suggestions that people are making may not be perfect by any means, but they are exceedingly better then the system in place right now. I would much rather put my name in a lottery pot than sit in front of a plot for 12 hours clicking, because then I would at least have a chance while still allowing me to play the game the way I would like to play it. The current system is just NOT fun gameplay. If you're not "Pro-SE housing" then where's your suggestion to fix it? You're clearly defending it because you already own a home and it doesn't affect you.

Lets be real, you either like the system or you just like to argue. People don't like this system, it's obvious just by looking at the forums. Go around and ask everyone standing in front of a placard right now in your server if they're having fun. I guarantee that they'll say they hate it, or it's a bot.

[Kenky]

Anti-idiot? The system we have now can already be exploited with botting and third party macros. These suggestions that people are making may not be perfect by any means, but they are exceedingly better then the system in place right now. I would much rather put my name in a lottery pot than sit in front of a plot for 12 hours clicking, because then I would at least have a chance while still allowing me to play the game the way I would like to play it. The current system is just NOT fun gameplay. If you're not "Pro-SE housing" then where's your suggestion to fix it? You're clearly defending it because you already own a home and it doesn't affect you.

Lets be real, you either like the system or you just like to argue. People don't like this system, it's obvious just by looking at the forums. Go around and ask everyone standing in front of a placard right now in your server if they're having fun. I guarantee that they'll say they hate it, or it's a bot.

Please paste where I said I was content in the current system? Go ahead, I'll wait.

I haven't given any suggestion because I know that any suggestion I offer would get the same treatment I give other suggestions. I'll forget a loophole and people will say it's bad BECAUSE of that loophole. It's how things get refined and changed with the times. The "Current system" isn't as exploited as you may think. Botting and 3rd party macros do not give you an edge. Autoclicking? Congrats. You get to lag the server, make more requests and SE can see just how quick you click / request. A quick report will ensure said "exploiters" wouldn't be exploiting any more.

But if you feel the rng timer is truly against you, then take it away. You don't get to see any house being sold anywhere. But at least you won't have the RNG timer, right?

Again, shooting yourself in the foot. Be happy you have a chance, not demand the system thats giving you that chance be removed.

[Jasmyne]

Please paste where I said I was content in the current system? Go ahead, I'll wait.

As is expected and should be.

You shouldn't get "priority" or a better chance because you've been trying for longer. It's meant to be fair game for everyone. No advantages, no pay-to-win options (Excluding relocation.) and if you catch anyone botting, then report them, perhaps?

You haven't given any suggestion because it's easier to do nothing but criticize people for THEIR ideas. There are hundreds of better ways to criticize people, but the way you're doing it is just so pretentious by going around calling people idiots just cause their ideas aren't perfect.

Edit: If you can't see how botting and auto-clicking doesn't give you an edge in this system, then you clearly haven't thought any of this through. Reporting for using macros is extremely hard to prove.

But if you feel the rng timer is truly against you, then take it away. You don't get to see any house being sold anywhere. But at least you won't have the RNG timer, right?

Once again, very pretentious and a strawman. I didn't say "take away the timer". I have several ideas on how to fix the whole housing system and would love to discuss it with people, just not while people like you lurk behind every bush waiting to call me an idiot for trying.

[Kenky]

Please re-read where I stated people are idiots and you'd gain the reason why I call them so. You would also learn that me calling them idiots has nothing to do with their suggestions or recommendations.

By suggesting or recommending a different system to use, that would mean the current system is no longer functional (it is.) and requires to be removed and replaced. So you are indeed, saying to take away the timer. If you have any suggestions, go ahead and share with the class. If there is any issue with them, they will be discussed.

Again, your notion of me assuming everyone's an idiot is incredibly misplaced. As for "not thinking any of this through" then tell me. How does autoclicking give you an advantage? It doesn't let you bypass the RNG timer, it doesn't let you insta-buy it or break into the coding and force it to only accept you. You're just clicking faster. It doesn't speed up the RNG timer, it doesn't increase your odds. It just floods SE's side with requests that are suspiciously too fast for any human to register. Unless you know of someone that can click and bypass the UI loading timer (which is also random and partially dependant on your computer setup / connection to SEs servers!) and request a purchase every .01 seconds?

EDIT: Here's the quote, incase you missed it.

People who disagree with me are fine, because that's generally how things go. Disagreement, discussion, consensus.

People who disagree with me and refuse to give a genuine reason why are indeed idiots purely because they have no other reason to disagree and spit venom, other than "because I can".