So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[AphraelAmarantha]

I would rather have in my party players who want to learn and improve and seek out challenges to do just that, then players who say EX mode is 'to hard' and they shouldnt have to kill themselves on a fight to get loot or mounts or etc.

But it is too hard. It's why I don't do Savage or EX, I can't memorize all of that stuff that is happening. Individual mechanics is fine but once they start over lapping and causing havoc is when I get into trouble, I can't deal with multi-tasking like that, it's too much. I've done a few EX's and they are not fun. Current difficulty is fine. It's why everything is easy, because not everyone has that skill level that you claim everyone playing the game should have. Can you imagine EX level msq bosses? Most casuals (which includes me) would never be able to progress through the story because they are stuck on that one boss (remembers Shinryu nightmare when it first came out).

[NessaWyvern]

But it is too hard. It's why I don't do Savage or EX, I can't memorize all of that stuff that is happening. Individual mechanics is fine but once they start over lapping and causing havoc is when I get into trouble, I can't deal with multi-tasking like that, it's too much.

I also identify as a casual, and just saying from experience, you're probably being too hard on yourself and just need more practice.
Back when leviathan ex came out, I thought I'd never be able to do it, due to all the mechanics, and my not so good ping. But it turned out I could, I just needed a little more practice.
It ended up being my favourite EX for many years, and I used it for light farming for relics, and it was the very first ex mount in my collection.

Something being really hard is not a bad thing. The greater the challenge, the greater the relief and joy when you beat it. Sure it can be frustrating, but frustration is part of the experience, and you can learn to enjoy the frustration also.


Also... #AddMorePvPToFFXIV (but honestly, what I have found, is that PvP trains your awareness and reaction times, and can make you play better in PvE content.)

[AphraelAmarantha]

Sure it can be frustrating, but frustration is part of the experience, and you can learn to enjoy the frustration also.


Also... #AddMorePvPToFFXIV

lol, I hate being frustrated. If a game frustrates me, I just zone out and stop playing. While I don't mind mild difficulty, I shouldn't be getting frustrated and angry at a video game, it's just a game. I play games to have fun, being frustrated is not fun. When I get to that point and it is just too difficult, I just quit because I am no longer having fun.

[NessaWyvern]

lol, I hate being frustrated. If a game frustrates me, I just zone out and stop playing. While I don't mind mild difficulty, I shouldn't be getting frustrated and angry at a video game, it's just a game. I play games to have fun, being frustrated is not fun. When I get to that point and it is just too difficult, I just quit because I am no longer having fun.

I guess we differ there XD Frustration has its own kind of fun for me, and I think that's why the dark souls series have so many people play it.
I've played vidya games for 20 years now, and if I quit just because the game got frustrating, there wouldn't be many games I have completed. XD

If there's no challenge at all, it just bores me. I tend to quit for the day after doing a lvl 50/60/70 roulette, as I just end up getting bored and sleepy.
So those in the thread who ask for more challenge are probably at the skill level where everything bores them, and they need something with more teeth.

[Arthrun]

lol, I hate being frustrated. If a game frustrates me, I just zone out and stop playing. While I don't mind mild difficulty, I shouldn't be getting frustrated and angry at a video game, it's just a game. I play games to have fun, being frustrated is not fun. When I get to that point and it is just too difficult, I just quit because I am no longer having fun.

Everyone has different levels of frustration they are willing to tolerate within a game. I believe Yoshi P understands the data that he has of where to place the different levels of frustration. Ultimate are few and far between because there is only a small % wiling to do them, Savage has a larger %, Extremes have even larger % and normal or easy has the largest % of players willing to do them.

My personal level of frustration I am willing to tolerate is at savage level. I do not have a desire to go higher than that. probably a reason I never could get into darksouls type games. just a level of frustration I do not want to bother with. I have a good friend I enjoy playing and hanging out with who basically does nothing but craft but so awesome to hang out with. refuses to do normal eden with me as the main tank because they find that content a bit too stressful to them.

[AphraelAmarantha]

Everyone has different levels of frustration they are willing to tolerate within a game. I believe Yoshi P understands the data that he has of where to place the different levels of frustration. Ultimate are few and far between because there is only a small % wiling to do them, Savage has a larger %, Extremes have even larger % and normal or easy has the largest % of players willing to do them.

My personal level of frustration I am willing to tolerate is at savage level. I do not have a desire to go higher than that. probably a reason I never could get into darksouls type games. just a level of frustration I do not want to bother with. I have a good friend I enjoy playing and hanging out with who basically does nothing but craft but so awesome to hang out with. refuses to do normal eden with me as the main tank because they find that content a bit too stressful to them.

Agreed! My frustration tolerance is very low, I would say Cidoulfus in Orbonne Monastery is my limit before i just tune out lol. Or Titannia Normal, that one is annoying when you get to the add stage.

[Rolder50]

Everyone has different levels of frustration they are willing to tolerate within a game. I believe Yoshi P understands the data that he has of where to place the different levels of frustration. Ultimate are few and far between because there is only a small % wiling to do them, Savage has a larger %, Extremes have even larger % and normal or easy has the largest % of players willing to do them.

My personal level of frustration I am willing to tolerate is at savage level. I do not have a desire to go higher than that. probably a reason I never could get into darksouls type games. just a level of frustration I do not want to bother with. I have a good friend I enjoy playing and hanging out with who basically does nothing but craft but so awesome to hang out with. refuses to do normal eden with me as the main tank because they find that content a bit too stressful to them.

I can agree with the Savage assessment, but for a different reason. I personally get easily annoyed by other people messing up mechanics. Especially when it's for dumb reasons like uptime greed. Now if they had some ultimate level solo content? Sign me the heck up.

[Arthrun]

But it is too hard. It's why I don't do Savage or EX, I can't memorize all of that stuff that is happening. Individual mechanics is fine but once they start over lapping and causing havoc is when I get into trouble, I can't deal with multi-tasking like that, it's too much. I've done a few EX's and they are not fun. Current difficulty is fine. It's why everything is easy, because not everyone has that skill level that you claim everyone playing the game should have. Can you imagine EX level msq bosses? Most casuals (which includes me) would never be able to progress through the story because they are stuck on that one boss (remembers Shinryu nightmare when it first came out).

You get a like because you are a example of what my posts were talking about. And I honestly would rather have more players to hang out with than to have super hard story content just to appease some arbitrary % of the player base.