The Amaro mount...

[Tsalmaveth]

I could still go for a normal, non-elemental horse mount. We've got unicorns and pegasi and nightmares and stuff, but no regular ol' horse.

Go climb the HoH 4 times and get your 'regular ol' horse'. Thanks.

Also, to everyone complaining about the Amaro being 'too mundane'? Then don't do it??? It's a reward. A present for doing an achievement. If you don't like it... DON'T. DO. IT. Spoiled. Brats. I can see why people raise eyebrows at the EN forums a lot... good GRIEF. The Amaro reward is a nod towards Seto? You want a flashy mount, go farm the EXs for the Gwibbers. The Amaro is a cute little 'reward'. If you don't like or want it... don't do it. Don't use it. Not everything needs to be huge flashy and glowie. I mean... did we even get ANYTHING for getting everything to 70 in SB? No? Then HEY! THANK YOU for giving us ANYTHING AT ALL for getting to 80? How about THAT? YEESH.

[Reap00]

Go climb the HoH 4 times and get your 'regular ol' horse'. Thanks.

Also, to everyone complaining about the Amaro being 'too mundane'? Then don't do it??? It's a reward. A present for doing an achievement. If you don't like it... DON'T. DO. IT. Spoiled. Brats. I can see why people raise eyebrows at the EN forums a lot... good GRIEF. The Amaro reward is a nod towards Seto? You want a flashy mount, go farm the EXs for the Gwibbers. The Amaro is a cute little 'reward'. If you don't like or want it... don't do it. Don't use it. Not everything needs to be huge flashy and glowie. I mean... did we even get ANYTHING for getting everything to 70 in SB? No? Then HEY! THANK YOU for giving us ANYTHING AT ALL for getting to 80? How about THAT? YEESH.

I like you. The only thing I would add is it wouldn't matter what they offered as a reward for maxing 80's. People would complain regardless as they can't get it quickly. Gamers must have instant gratification and its quite sad as it ruins the journey.

[Skivvy]

I mean... did we even get ANYTHING for getting everything to 70 in SB? No? Then HEY! THANK YOU for giving us ANYTHING AT ALL for getting to 80? How about THAT? YEESH.

No, but we did get a mount from the SB MSQ for simply working through the story. We also got 3 mount in HW's MSQ. The amaro would have been a perfect MSQ mount, especially with how linked they are to the story.


But I guess if you want to keep ranting about spoiled brats, who are we to stop you?

[RyuDragnier]

No, but we did get a mount from the SB MSQ for simply working through the story. We also got 3 mount in HW's MSQ. The amaro would have been a perfect MSQ mount, especially with how linked they are to the story.

Just consider it a bragging rights reward for now. Besides, who is to say there won't be another Amaro for completing the 5.3 story down the road?

[Shougun]

Bit sad to see some of these massive simplifications of people's arguments and taunting :/. Almost feels like I'm in a forum talking about US politics or something. "you mean to say -insert incorrect and clearly well poisoned example-". Not that I haven't seen a few who I thought might be a bit "too angry at SE" but the majority seemed not, and would be nice to talk to each other like adults rather than caricatures.

Just consider it a bragging rights reward for now. Besides, who is to say there won't be another Amaro for completing the 5.3 story down the road?

If they added another Amaro mount it'd probably (lol) have to be different than the one in the achievement, else it doesn't make too much sense. So this new reward would be one that isn't standard since the mount in the achievement is pretty much a standard Amaro.

So that means you could put in a lot of work for a normal Amaro or you can put in MSQ work to get a unique version (work in the sense it takes time, but obviously much less and also conveniently lined up with something the vast majority wants to do). That could be what SE intends to do though, not saying it's impossible :3.

Rather I think it would be better that the MSQ reward, in 5.3 or whatever, is normal and the achievement is special- a massive Amaro to represent your own Seto or even multicolored. Which as I said in OP I think would be very neat since a multicolored Amaro looks pretty much like Flammie from secret of mana... and I think that'd make the achievement very special.

To repeat, I've said it before in this thread, I don't think SE has committed some huge crime (it's not some malice or game destroying issue) and there shouldn't be an inquisition against SE lol..

But I do think it's out of the expectation, it's out of the expectation in a way that is not a 'pleasant surprise', and that it feels a little bit bewildering in a sense of missed opportunity in achievement and story presentation.

I mean achievement opportunity in that the Amaro are not really rare birds, so if you have to work hard for something that is common it's just a bit weirder than if you had worked hard for something that was rare (Amaro are the yellow chocobos of that shard, so it'd be almost akin to getting a naked basic yellow chocobo for leveling everything to 80). Some people would have been excited to level everything already, so obviously to them this is just a cherry on top, but for quite a few people they'd only be doing so for the reward specifically (so a bit of objectivity there). I think you'd be able to encourage more people who wouldn't have leveled up everything before more if it was a unique Amaro, vs as you see a number of people here going "i have do to what for a common bird? but why? just let me go to the market and buy one with gil" lol.

And on the story point I mean the story makes many comparisons to your Warrior of Darkness buddy, aligning you in a way that when you get to the point the story with Seto I felt strongly "OOOH I'M GOING TO GET THIS ONE, HYPE-- HE MISSES HE DADDY AND I'VE GOT SOME DADDY INSIDE ME--... wait that came out wrong.. I mean.. he's here with me.. ANYWAY SETO COME HERE, I TREAT YOU GOOD!". lol. Of course that never happens :P. When I left him there I thought oh maybe I'll get a normal Amaro instead, I guess Seto is a bit old... But that never happened too.

Ideally imo, with no actual "you have to do this SE or else" (because I don't feel that way), there would be a MSQ Amaro, a huge perhaps dual seater Seto mount for getting everything to 80, and then a multi-colored fae painted normal to medium sized amaro mount (that's basically FFXIV meets Secret of Mana Flammie). For those who've already received the normal Amaro they'd get the big version in the mail (or reacquire the achievement from vendor) and keep the normal version, the MSQ (normal) amaro will be put in some future content (those who already have it just have it early now), and obviously the beast tribe Amaro is whenever those are added. That's my "that'd be nice", but I wont dislike FFXIV any less if they didn't.. I've already got quite a few mounts that are my go to. I just find it a weird choice. That said I find the vast majority of ShB to be absolutely excellent so maybe the contrast makes it seem weirder lol (the few non-excellent choices appearing more like a stuck out nail then). "All of this done really really well, this semi-weird choice now feels really weird".

[Gaethan_Tessula]

I mean... did we even get ANYTHING for getting everything to 70 in SB? No? Then HEY! THANK YOU for giving us ANYTHING AT ALL for getting to 80? How about THAT? YEESH.

My opinion is that no task which requires nothing except extraneous, excessive grind should have major rewards, even cosmetic ones. It just encourages a skinnerbox loop of players doing content they otherwise might not if there wasn't a digital carrot in front of them. In some people, it can exacerbate mental health/obsession issues.

The reward for getting all jobs to max is that you can play with every job at max level.

Aside Example: I've long hypothesized that the cultural weight Skillcapes gained in Runescape was actually what destroyed what that game originally was. People ground for literal real life weeks/months to aquire levels which had no content at that point in time, which subsequently forced Jagex to try and fill that design space, which in turn put on more pressure to max skills among the playerbase. This led to a ton of players being max combat, and getting bored with the game's overly basic combat (where Jagex just didn't have the design space for more involved fights), which led to the rushed and sloppy implementation of the Evolution of Combat.

Thankfully, nothing in FF14 pushes that mentality to such a degree.