Does Elidibus actually think he can defeat the WoL?

[Rannie]

Same thing happened when we used the blade of light on Lahabrea when he was possessing Thancred, it pretty much forced him out of the body like Emily Rose being exorcised. The white Auracite pretty much locks the ascian in place so the blade can actually function as a blade.

Well it was mentioned out of the mouth herself that she could split things like that (Word of Mother Quest). Also Emet Selch also pretty much confirmed that Hydaelyn had the capability and since Hydaelyn said it (kinda) first, I do believe Emet on it.

[SaberMaxwell]

But that's Hydaelyn's power, not necessarily the Blade of Light's power. Emet-Selch wasn't fragmented into shards, he was like you said, held in place and absorbed into the Auracite.

[Rannie]

Exactly so I'm wondering the same thing you are. Unless like I myself said we go Ascian and discard our body, which i myself doubt we would do. It's why I would love to know how it would work. ^_^


Edit: now that I'm thinking on this subject even more, it makes me wonder if Elidbus' full plan is just to use other shards WoL against us (maybe even the ones that were rescued from the 13th) and do something completely different while we are distracted.. I mean granted he isnt able to plan for all contingencies due to the fact that he himself stated that he cant see them all anymore. He also then goes on to say he's wanting to keep us on the first and said he was going to use the other Warriors of light to keep us there.... since we are the warrior of darkness now... damn you Elidibus I want to know exactly what you're planning now.

Though rereading through it pretty much is what he is doing.

[Riastrad]

If a Blade of Light were used on us, the WoL, and we were fragmented into pieces, it would be something completely new to the Blade of Light's toolset not previously mentioned.

Well I am of the mind that a blade of light is using Hydaelyn's power with us as a conduit. When we strike the aforementioned Ascians, it is the same as killing them and dispersing their souls into the well of life energies. Hydaelyn controls this well. Working as a way to continue the cycle in a way that keeps the reflections as stable as they can be. It is mentioned by Emet that while anyone can raised to be one of the 13, only the truest of servants make the best agents of Zodiarks will. This means Hydaelyn even redistributes the aether of her enemies. Nabriales, Igeyorhm, Emet Selch were all hit and killed by a blade as you mentioned. This does not necessarily mean the souls were destroyed, only cast into the lifestream to be fragmented further by Hydaelyn. Ready to be reborn as individuals who can once again be scouted by the Ascians to serve a vacant office.

Mind you I have no proof of this, only theories.

White auracite only traps a soul temporarily, it is used to keep an ascian in place as they have the ability to flee into the Aetherial Sea. The sea and the lifestream are two separate places as Minfilia mentions when explaining white auracite. Ascians use the sea to avoid being drawn into the lifestream. White auracite is used to buy time for a blade of light to be forged (and be powered by another source as Hydaelyn is too weak to be called upon), as evident by how Thancred used it to stall Emet during the final moments of the battle, allowing us to forge a blade and kill Emet.

[SaberMaxwell]

Exactly so I'm wondering the same thing you are. Unless like I myself said we go Ascian and discard our body, which i myself doubt we would do. It's why I would love to know how it would work. ^_^


Edit: now that I'm thinking on this subject even more, it makes me wonder if Elidbus' full plan is just to use other shards WoL against us (maybe even the ones that were rescued from the 13th) and do something completely different while we are distracted.. I mean granted he isnt able to plan for all contingencies due to the fact that he himself stated that he cant see them all anymore. He also then goes on to say he's wanting to keep us on the first and said he was going to use the other Warriors of light to keep us there.... since we are the warrior of darkness now... damn you Elidibus I want to know exactly what you're planning now.

Though rereading through it pretty much is what he is doing.

My mind is on cutting the gordian knot. The WoL aren't going to attack us, they're gonna go after the Scions on the First. He specifically spoke in plurals, and our character is specifically not that. Elidibus has already shown interest in wiping out our Scion allies while they're on the First and thus isolating us on the Source, as well.

Well I am of the mind that a blade of light is using Hydaelyn's power with us as a conduit.
(and be powered by another source as Hydaelyn is too weak to be called upon)

These two phrases feel contradictory to me. Hydaelyn's specific power as a primal is to split people into shards. Emet-Selch never mentioned anything about her followers having this self-same power, nor has anything been stated that she could share this power with others. We saw the direct aftermath of Emet-Selch getting struck by the Blade of Light, and it was him standing there with a hole in his chest before dispersing into aether. Also worth minding the implication of Hydaelyn's power was one strike = 2 1/2 people, and thus seven strikes were needed to split the Prime Star into fourteen shards (thirteen and the Source). We only ever visibly strike the Ascians we've slain once with the Blade of Light.

Mind you I have no proof of this, only theories.

It's really hard to interact with these theories since you self-admitted there's no evidence right now for any of this. For instance, as far as we've been told Hydaelyn has not split any souls beyond the 14 reflections of their original selves. Could she be fragmenting a soul into millions of little bits for the lifestream? Maybe, but all I can say right now is I doubt it and it feels like a stretch.

[Riastrad]

So we create a weapon of pure aether to attack an immortal enemy with the hopes of killing him (reducing him to his basic aether that is then carried into the lifestream). But our patron (from whom the framework of the weapon is granted) only provides the way to do so, not the power. So instead we look for an outside source to empower the weapon while retaining the properties of what has already been provided by said patron. I don't know how else to describe it.

I'll just shut up for now I guess until I am either proven wrong or right. Just remember the fool who said it first if it's the latter.

[SaberMaxwell]

When was it stated the goal of the Blade of Light was sundering our enemy into fragments? That's the major issue with this theory, nobody ever states that's the purpose of it. You'd think Ascians like Emet Selch would find it beyond abhorrent we used a weapon like that on an already sundered Igeyorm and Nabriales. Again, we also didn't see Emet Selch get split like he described Hydaelyn's power doing with that demonstration in the Ocular. We weren't looking at two Emet Selchs who then faded away, it was one Emet Selch with an enormous hole in his chest.

With something like this, wait and see is all we can do. I'm not saying it's impossible that that is what the Blade does, but it's never even been hinted that that was how it worked before now. As far as I know anyway.

[Alleo]

The real tragedy here is that the Ascians are partially correct, she is temporary and will one day be unable to sustain the balance. Zodiark could conceivably save everyone but would ultimately require so much aether as to kill everyone anyways as his desire for more aether would bleed everything dry. Two methods of retaining life and the status quo, but both end up killing everyone anyways. So the 14th makes the decision that everyone, even the lowest among us have a right to life and to strive for the future, and not just those deemed "worthy" by some arbitrary standard.

I would dare and say that all would be fine without the Ascians. I am quite sure that her summoners created her with the means to sustain herself over the time and protect the new life "forever" because she was created as a opposite to Zodiark. The source and their shards have also survived like that for a long time and seemingly its just all the calamities that are making her weaker. So the Asicans are just making sure that their own vision comes to past. Without their influence we have to believe that nothing bad would happen. There would be no need for WoLs, there would be no need for crystals of light, there would be no need to protect certain echo user and thus making it even worse from her.

I really doubt that she was created without a means to sustain herself or maybe she simply does not need aether as long as she does not need to act. Which is why she gets weaker. She has to act thanks to the ascians instead of letting the life go on as planned. (Her summoners probably wanted to split everyone including the three main ascians) This way she has to use power which she seemingly does not take back on her own.

[Rannie]

Riastrad So one thing has been bothering me with what you said here and that was Minfillia saying that the life stream and the aetherial sea are two different areas and the ascians go to one to avoid the other, however I found that cutscene you are mentioning on YouTube and she says nothing like that at all. The quest is What Little Gods are Made of

https://youtu.be/A3_AIXuHRoM

What they are saying about the Ascians is that they use the crystal of darkness to be at the edge of the Aetherial Sea to stay on its shore and not be sucked in via the rebirth process. They also use the Sahagan priest as an example of him being obliterated due to not having one of those crystals.

I will also add in that as saber has said so far as we know the blade of light does not work in the sense of splitting more in the sense of obliterating.

Btw no one is saying that you need to stop talking about the theories that you have. Theories are good and fun. That's one thing this board is made for. For everyone of us of like mind (meaning we enjoy theory crafting weither we agree on said theories or not) to get together and bandy them about as well as discuss the wonderful lore of the game..

[Valenth]

I keep having this gutfeeling Lahabrea will rear his smug face somewhere again. I mean... he was absorbed into the Eyes of Nidhogg, knows the best how to body jump (and probably maintain his aetherical essence somehow) and Estinien has been exposed to the Eyes AFTER Lahabrea was absorbed into them... I wouldn't be surprised if it left an inprint of sorts on him that will become significant somewhere down the line.