Bard's Thematic Future

[MartaDemireux]

Have you considered what you're truly requesting though? If they give one job a set of spell glamours, then inevitably, other players will want THEIR jobs to have spell glamours as well and now what you are arguing to be a solution that is the least amount of work for ONE job now becomes something they have to somehow provide for ALL other jobs. They won't do something like this for one job while ignoring the rest, it simply wouldn't be fair. It's an interesting idea, but it's one that is unlikely to happen.

I really don't think that would become an issue. All the jobs aside from BRD and WHM have very clear identities. I would even support a GEO (or something similar) job glamour for CNJ/WHM due to the recent changes to Aero and Stone - that is the only other case of a clear disconnect between class and job. This is about having whole job identities preserved instead of hacking two together. Every other job is very much in line with their own identities.

And it's not unlike SE to offer some things to just one or two jobs. In order to unlock instruments, you need to level BRD - no other job has even a similar equivalent and we don't see people asking for one. ACN remains the only multi-job class despite people wanting other jobs to split (once upon a time people were clamoring for GLA to split into DRK/PLD for example to echo Cecil).

I don't think I can be convinced this would ever be an issue.

[Suniva]

I don't think I can be convinced this would ever be an issue.

Then there is no further reason for you and I to debate the issue. I wish you the best of luck in garnering support for your endeavor.

ACN remains the only multi-job class

Much to their regret, they have stated many, MANY times that they are not happy with how arcanists split and every expansion we see them doing more and more to try and separate the two jobs that came from it.

(once upon a time people were clamoring for GLA to split into DRK/PLD for example to echo Cecil).

And what did they do? They kept GLA -> PLD route while introducing DRK as a new job that people could pick up and play. That is why many are putting forth the suggestion of adding in the ranger job so that way bard players can have their bard and those wishing for a hunter/ranger type class could have their idea of a bow & arrow type class being more focused on damaged fulfilled. If there is enough demand for a ranger type class, then I feel it would ultimately be better in the long run to add in that job rather than upsetting both sets of players because one wants to play the class one way vs the other way.

I even suggested at one point that we get a hunter/bard stance that way the two types of player bases could be satisfied, by having the abilities function in different way dependent on which stance we were in, but that was criticized with valid concerns and I have since withdrawn from that idea. It seems like the best solution (and one that is more or less agreed on on these forums as far as I can tell) is rather than trying to make the one job cater to two different play styles, would be to split them up.

Just separate the two, I feel as if that would be the path of least resistance for the development team that would satisfy both sets of the player base.

[MartaDemireux]

And what did they do? They kept GLA -> PLD route while introducing DRK as a new job that people could pick up and play.

I fear you're missing my point. My point is that even though the community clamored for it, they didn't do it. They kept ACN as the only class to split. People could clamor for their jobs to have glamours as well, but doesn't mean they would entertain the thought if they only wanted to do it for one or two jobs.

Just separate the two, I feel as if that would be the path of least resistance for the development team that would satisfy both sets of the player base.

Job glamours effectively would separate the two, and as said before, could even act as a stepping stone toward an actual separation should that be a route to consider. Glamours effectively produce 2 whole jobs in one, giving both BRD and RNG a job that feels right while not disrupting the playstyle for either group. People like the playstyle and want it for themselves whether they're on team BRD or team RNG and this is the only way to really maintain that for both. The job is busy enough on it's own that two jobs could absolutely share the playstyle with entirely different themes and still feel good to play.