Can we please ban advertisements for selling clears from PF?

[Lambdafish]

As it is long ago, when content, that gets advertised for selling, was doable by 7 man or less, its not a carry, that gets advertised.

The point: account sharing.

So with the T&C in mind, this service is not "perfectly valid".

I've noticed that every single one of these things says "add on discord for info", which is basically code for "pay us real money".

You aren't going to like the answer, but it all comes down to... Can you prove it?

If you can't its basically assumption and slander, which isn't grounds for a report. Yeah, you are probably right, but if it takes place off of the game, and you cannot see transcripts of conversations talking about real money trading and account sharing then it has no weight in the argument.

[Enjuden]

You aren't going to like the answer, but it all comes down to... Can you prove it?

If you can't its basically assumption and slander, which isn't grounds for a report. Yeah, you are probably right, but if it takes place off of the game, and you cannot see transcripts of conversations talking about real money trading and account sharing then it has no weight in the argument.

You realize SE does not accept screenshots or any outside source except what's stated in game, so burden of proof is an impossibility if the seller isn't an idiot. SE has made the burden of proof impossible, yet I can't say that cancel xyz is a good idea either. Until ToS changes and proof limitation is expanded, then I guess we just have to hope people aren't dumb enough to dump money on these scammers. Bluntly, saying to add on discord and the conversation 'ending' on FFXIV is more than enough proof since if it was gil only, there would be no reason to hide anything.

[Lambdafish]

You realize SE does not accept screenshots or any outside source except what's stated in game, so burden of proof is an impossibility if the seller isn't an idiot. SE has made the burden of proof impossible, yet I can't say that cancel xyz is a good idea either. Until ToS changes and proof limitation is expanded, then I guess we just have to hope people aren't dumb enough to dump money on these scammers. Bluntly, saying to add on discord and the conversation 'ending' on FFXIV is more than enough proof since if it was gil only, there would be no reason to hide anything.

A ToS change would be horrible because it would allow people to fake evidence and get innocent people banned. There is a reason why SE is so tight on their evidence policy, and it is because they only accept evidence that they themselves can verify as truthful within the resources that they have. I would much rather a ToS that allows people to post RMT in PF than one that allows malicious people to get whoever they want banned with fake evidence.

[Vnolan]

There is a reason why SE is so tight on their evidence policy, and it is because

they like money.

The Ungarmax Exploit and Our Response

A Reminder about the Prohibition of Real Money Trading (RMT) (made after a FC was named)

BLU EXP exploit

Regarding the Fraudulent Purchase of Optional Items

Do you know how many players were permanently banned from all of those combined? Just one.

Account Penalty Policy

'■Types of penalty
There are six levels of penalty in ascending order of severity: "Caution", "Warning", "Temporary Service Account Suspension (3 Days)", "Temporary Service Account Suspension (10 Days)", "Temporary Service Account Suspension (20 Days)", "Service Account Termination".'

tl;dr SE will only ban its customers as an absolute last resort even if they have all the proof in the world.

and it is because they only accept evidence that they themselves can verify as truthful within the resources that they have.

Had that with Feast chat and they decided to remove it.

No one is suggesting they issue account action off third-party evidence, but if they get enough reports, you'd think they'd at least start an investigation.

[Enjuden]

A ToS change would be horrible because it would allow people to fake evidence and get innocent people banned. There is a reason why SE is so tight on their evidence policy, and it is because they only accept evidence that they themselves can verify as truthful within the resources that they have. I would much rather a ToS that allows people to post RMT in PF than one that allows malicious people to get whoever they want banned with fake evidence.

Yes, because changing ToS is equal to people being able to have malicious players banned due to fake evidence. Kind of like how the offensive language ToS got changed and suddenly we lost a ton of players due to 'fake evidence'.

Oh wait. That didn't happen. How do you prove something that cannot be proven without saying 'You said XYZ, therefore you are breaking such and such rule'? Because that is our current rule set right now, where GMs must use circumstantial evidence as proof since absolutely nothing can be done otherwise. Again, they are not allowed to be able to do their own job with what we got. So how do you think anyone can get punished for RMT when it comes to selling content right now?