New Healer Request Next Expansion

[Hatstand]

Am I the only one who foresees that if we get a chemist, the Mix ability will be a reskin of the AST Seals/Divination?

You have 6 ingredients in your bag, action draws one out. You want it, action puts it in the pot; you don't like it, action redraws a new ingredient. Once you get three ingredients in the pot, Mix and apply.

They should have added a chemist with a chemistry themed divination as a new healer this expansion. Then they could have left AST alone. (Or, you know, given it some little fixes without altering its core gameplay).

[Connor]

They should have added a chemist with a chemistry themed divination as a new healer this expansion. Then they could have left AST alone. (Or, you know, given it some little fixes without altering its core gameplay).

Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like if Astrologian also had some kind of ‘competition’ as the ‘support oriented healer’ they’d have been able to play around more with how the card effects worked in the old system. I mean, their thinking currently seems to be that Astrologian can’t have the same card effects as before because then it becomes a ‘must have’?

But am I right in thinking this would be less of an issue if there was an Astrologian ‘competitor’ you could take instead? Meaning that Astrologian wouldn’t become a guaranteed job for raids? And I mean, you’d also have more variety in the kind of healers you could take. You could use WHM/SCH for more powerful healing and direct DPS, WHM/AST for healing and some DPS buffs, SCH/CHM for shields and whatever buffs Chemist would bring. I mean, maybe a ‘Chemist’ would act as a competitor to Scholar more than Astrologian, providing shields and high DPS uptime or something like that.

That said, I think what I’m more getting at that maybe it would’ve been easier for them to balance out the way the healer role does things if we got any kind of fourth healer lol. I mean, it seems to me that it’s easier to create a balance with 4 because you can ‘split’ the kinds of healer there are by 2:2 instead of having to split them 2:1. And splitting them means that it’s easier to avoid any one becoming ‘compulsary’ because they can make sure that each healer has its own kind of ‘competition’. It would also mean they could do something more interesting with Sects, since it would have to be directly competing with both White Mage and Scholar

[Eira95]

I would love a Chemist healer

I swear you've read my mind, I've been saying this for years myself. Would be cool to have a healer and didn't use spells to heal but instead potion. I mean how cool would it be if there revive ability was called Phoenix Down!

[Archwizard]

I mean how cool would it be if there revive ability was called Phoenix Down!

Not terribly, since Phoenix Down is an item we can acquire in Palace of the Dead. It's also a feather from a bird that nobody is supposed to know exists in this world, not the name of some special potion, and has nothing to do with chemistry.
If anything I'd expect the revival ability would be called something like "Smelling Salts", or just "Revive".

Like, I get wanting to see another classic FF job represented, or recycling brand names for the nostalgia, but for the most part I've only seen people rely on "How cool would it be to see a potion-based healer!" as their entire argument to push CHM.
And the problem is, "doesn't use spells" is purely cosmetic. Balance-wise we would still need to have a healer that wears and scales their potencies with healing gear, is equally vulnerable to Silence effects and interruption, and has the same LB1-2 as everyone else. It would probably have all of its skills classified as spells and its job sorted under Disciples of Magic.

You're hoping for different visual FX. That's it.

A) How many people begging for it would actually play it? And I don't mean "oh I'll try anything once" or "I'll level it for the title/achievement and all maxed jobs" or "I'll main it if it's the Best healing job for my static" -- those are applicable to any healer addition.
How many would seriously go "I never considered taking up a healing job before but then they announced CHEMIST," or actually are hyped for CHM to exist right now, as we speak, so they can personally make it their new main?
I know people who are dying to see Geomancer return from 11, I know people who would start playing the game if they saw Necromancers being advertised, I'm constantly batting off people with a stick in RDM forums who want to turn it into Spellblade or Mystic Knight or Rune Fencer, but I cannot fathom Chemist having such an impact, because its abilities were always dependent on buffing consumables that everyone already had access to, giving it a very limited personal identity.

B) Aside from some potion-based reskins of the regular healer staples, can anyone here actually give me 3 unique examples of Chemist "spells" and abilities they would want to see that aren't Mix?
Or hell, suggest a not-exploitable version of Mix that isn't just a clone of NIN Mudras or AST Cards? 'Cuz the fact that the devs tried and couldn't is why we have AST, and I've yet to see someone so much as suggest outcomes for Mix if it did work.

At this point, every time I hear Chemist or Salve-maker or Potion Seller or whatever suggested, I can only imagine how many just want to pat themselves on the back for their "totally original idea" if it ever happens, just to say "you're welcome" to the people who were hoping for a different healer... and then scatter like cockroaches in sunlight when actually tasked to play it, because they wanted an aesthetic and expected by some miracle for it to be functional (because that's the devs' job, so clearly they can make anything work) but didn't actually care how it played so long as it completed their "collection" of jobs from other entries.
Or just wouldn't be caught dead healing.

Who here actually is speaking with a horse in this race? Who's actually hyped for Chemist for its own unique skills, contributions to groups, the healing paradigm, the game as a whole, and not just 'cuz it's a name in the proverbial hat and/or they couldn't think of anything more "different" from what we already have?

[Nhala_Levee]

New healer class request: Astrologian
The old one can be placed in exactly as was it. This new class, that is now called astrologian for some unknown mystery, can be called: Conductor or Energizer. And voila, 2 new healer class for next expansion.

[Cyrocco]

Who here actually is speaking with a horse in this race? Who's actually hyped for Chemist for its own unique skills, contributions to groups, the healing paradigm, the game as a whole, and not just 'cuz it's a name in the proverbial hat and/or they couldn't think of anything more "different" from what we already have?

Chemist Idea

Your post totally felt like bait because I got super hyped about the Chemist idea pretty much right after Shadowbringer release. Mix is of course very iconic, but a lesser known ability was Stash, which allowed for the new item to be combined for later use, I thought the idea of a healer that didn't come with set oGCDs, and instead made it's own oGCDs for later use would be a really nice idea. But you're right, Chemist by itself has never been an identity outside of mix, so I took from what's currently available with some apothecaries, and mixed it with Garlean tech, tossed in a dash of aether, to create the Diagnosis and Prognosis style skills. From there, a bit came down to using items we haven't seen in this Final Fantasy, like aerosols from FFXIII, and Cottages from basically every other game. There are good ideas to be had with Chemist, they just require expanding on, and an over reliance on only designing a Mix mechanic seems to cripple lots of ideas.

[Archwizard]

Your post totally felt like bait because I got super hyped about the Chemist idea pretty much right after Shadowbringer release. Mix is of course very iconic, but a lesser known ability was Stash, which allowed for the new item to be combined for later use, I thought the idea of a healer that didn't come with set oGCDs, and instead made it's own oGCDs for later use would be a really nice idea. But you're right, Chemist by itself has never been an identity outside of mix, so I took from what's currently available with some apothecaries, and mixed it with Garlean tech, tossed in a dash of aether, to create the Diagnosis and Prognosis style skills. From there, a bit came down to using items we haven't seen in this Final Fantasy, like aerosols from FFXIII, and Cottages from basically every other game. There are good ideas to be had with Chemist, they just require expanding on, and an over reliance on only designing a Mix mechanic seems to cripple lots of ideas.

Y'know what, you're valid.

This is literally the first attempt I've seen someone make at an actual concept for Chemist as a full job. I think there's some thematic overlap with SCH and I'm still not necessarily certain I agree with your concept since I see a handful of flaws, but you have at least put more thought into it than most regurgitations so credit where it's due.

[Cyrocco]

Y'know what, you're valid.

This is literally the first attempt I've seen someone make at an actual concept for Chemist as a full job. I think there's some thematic overlap with SCH and I'm still not necessarily certain I agree with your concept since I see a handful of flaws, but you have at least put more thought into it than most regurgitations so credit where it's due.

Bahaha, you caught me on the SCH bit, for most potencies I copied durations or tried to take something close to the average among all three healers, but the rest of my design was focused on making a job that used preemptive healing, the defense bonus on mix was partially to balance some lower potency options, and partially to encourage using items before tank busters as well as for traditional healing. But I’m happy you thought my idea was at least somewhat unique

[PatronasCharm]

Chemist would definitely bring me back to healing. I made a post a while back in the lvl 70 era on how I would love to see a Chemist operate, and I threw in Primeval Brew (From FFXI as a fun little throwback) not sure if any FFXI fan out there recognizes what that is about though XD.

But Chemist, give it to us SE!

Below is that post I made a while back ago, I need to update it bc it's only lvl 70.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Healer-Concept

[Archwizard]

Chemist would definitely bring me back to healing.

Okay... Why?
What do you find uniquely gripping about Chemist, as a full job, that no existing job can accomplish?