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[Gwenorai]

We can argue that for any built. We dont need it to play the game.

Taste is just different for everyone and just because someone wanted to have a more "feminine" male does not mean that they are from the same group of people that put their males in such clothes. Honestly I have seen more Roe males in "extreme" outfits with bright makeup than for example Midlanders.

Aye, this makes sense since most male roes you see are part of bara the crowd; the others just do it for a laugh - in regards to the extreme outfits. I don't mind it, they can do what they like I suppose. I see a lot of Hrothgars in these outfits now of course, but that was a given.

However when I think of mViera wearing such outfits and then paired with the idea of them being small and feminine, with their lore/history it just doesn't sit well with me. It's a good way to throw people out of the loop, lika aha! The fierce aggressive males are actually just small feminine males! Got ya, bet you were never expecting that were ya!

Mmidlanders seem to be where the bulk of 'serious male characters are' - I rarely see a Mmidlander dressed in the extreme. If anything it's mHorthgar/mMiqote/mRoe/mHighlander. And most of the time they're wearing outfits that look like they came out of an 18+ only dungeon.

[Skolopendrokot]

Aye, this makes sense since most male roes you see are part of bara the crowd; the others just do it for a laugh - in regards to the extreme outfits. I don't mind it, they can do what they like I suppose. I see a lot of Hrothgars in these outfits now of course, but that was a given.

However when I think of mViera wearing such outfits and then paired with the idea of them being small and feminine, with their lore/history it just doesn't sit well with me. It's a good way to throw people out of the loop, lika aha! The fierce aggressive males are actually just small feminine males! Got ya, bet you were never expecting that were ya!

Mmidlanders seem to be where the bulk of 'serious male characters are' - I rarely see a Mmidlander dressed in the extreme. If anything it's mHorthgar/mMiqote/mRoe/mHighlander. And most of the time they're wearing outfits that look like they came out of an 18+ only dungeon.

But the fact that Vieras are everywhere now doesn't match the lore as well. Male Vieras are fierce aggressive males but it doesn't mean they have to be big and bulky. You can see many animal races where females are bigger or less colorful than males. And as I said, we could just get two clans of males: more masculine and more feminine ones (they could just be smaller and have more delicate faces, they don't need a separate model). You could even tell that bigger males prefer to stay at forest and defend thei territory while smaller ones just adapted to live in the cities. There are plenty of options to make players happy and I hope that SE will consider this solution.

[Gwenorai]

But the fact that Vieras are everywhere now doesn't match the lore as well. Male Vieras are fierce aggressive males but it doesn't mean they have to be big and bulky. You can see many animal races where females are bigger or less colorful than males. And as I said, we could just get two clans of males: more masculine and more feminine ones (they could just be smaller and have more delicate faces, they don't need a separate model). You could even tell that bigger males prefer to stay at forest and defend thei territory while smaller ones just adapted to live in the cities. There are plenty of options to make players happy and I hope that SE will consider this solution.

Or just have multiple faces where one looks fem and a more forgiving height scale. I don't see why they need to have two clans where one is drastically different from the other, the females don't show this. Sadly it's unlikely that they will do this anyway. There's a reason why all of the auri women are tiny when only one clan actually makes sense for them to be tiny and dainty. Remember the concept art for Xaela? They were tall, strong and looked extremely fierce. They're not going to waste more cash on making another model and then fit the clothes to them. Not when it's already an issue and part of the reason we don't have male Viera at the moment.

Viera being everywhere doesn't matter either in regards to their lore, as only the player's character matters in regards to the storyline. So everyone's Viera doesn't count in your story, only the NPCs technically count. The Vii in first are different from the Viera on the source - it seems like they do not actually have Rava/Veena clans. And the reason why we see so many of them is due to what happened causing them to move to safe havens. None of the males did this. The NPC Viera we see in the source are all tied into the story regarding the Empire who are destroying Ivalice. The homeland for which they currently live is one of rebellion and war - has been for decades.

However, sadly in both the first and the source, the males have been confined to the forests. They would have to recto it for it to make sense that males if one clan live/adapted to cities when the lore keeps hammering on and on how they're never seen in there. Would also bring the question on how that would also make sense - what made them small? Howcome the females of their clan are tall? Nah, that boat sailed when the Veena and Rava are basically the same and have no height difference between the two. Tie this into before regarding what's going on with Ivalice, if Viera males exist in those cities then why were they denied to exist there in regards to the 24man. It's also heavily hinted that the Viera who left their woods now are the ones who left in the past few decades or so.

Anyway personally to me I would just have them be the same height as the females; I'm fine with them having an andro facial option, as those are pretty good to edit. But I don't see a point in making them small for the sake of it unless they're updating the character creator so that all races have a wider height range - which is long past due.

For now, I'd be happy to even see them and I don't see it happening any time soon - if at all. Sad really.
Blah blah, sorry if this doesn't make sense. I am sleepy.

[Umeikoai]

They're not going to waste more cash on making another model and then fit the clothes to them.

Thing is they most likely won't make another body model to fit clothes on. There are 3 body models for playable males at least when you look at the game's files and 2 models for playable females. The two for females are just the Lalafell model and the Hyur model which all the female playable races who aren't Lalafell use. All the muscle tone is just a texture change in the material. It is also the same reason female Viera doesn't have special feet because they just use the Hyur body. The three body for males are the Roegadyn one which Hrothgar shares with, Lalafell which is its own thing, and Hyur which Elezen, Miqote, Au Ra, and Highlander all share with. All the game does is scale the bones of the model to make a new body. No new rigging for every single race. As for animations, since most characters share the same bones they could easily just have both male Viera use the same animation set as each other in terms of clans. You can even see some shared animations between male Midlander and Highlander despite them looking drastically different. Most they would do in the case of a male Viera is make new face models and animations but have them use the Hyur body with different bone scaling.

[Gwenorai]

Thing is they most likely won't make another body model to fit clothes on. There are 3 body models for playable males at least when you look at the game's files and 2 models for playable females. The two for females are just the Lalafell model and the Hyur model which all the female playable races use that who aren't Lalafell use. All the muscle tone is just a texture change in the material. It is also the same reason female Viera doesn't have special feet because they just use the Hyur body. The three body for males are the Roegadyn one which Hrothgar shares with, Lalafell which is its own thing, and Hyur which Elezen, Miqote, Au Ra, and Highlander all share with. All the game does is scale the bones of the model to make a new body. No new rigging for every single race. As for animations, since most characters share the same bones they could easily just have both male Viera use the same animation set as each other in terms of clans. You can even see some shared animations between male Midlander and Highlander despite them looking drastically different. Most they would do in the case of a male Viera is make new face models and animations but have them use the Hyur body with different bone scaling.

Yeah, that, which they're more than likely still not going to repeat again. Someone already brought up highlanders, which have the male and females differ from the midlander counterparts. They're already complaining about the extra workload of having the armours moulded to fit whatever edited model they use. The workload is too much for them to continue releasing content at a strict time table - as Yoshida claimed. I believe it's extremely wishful thinking for them to turn around and then make two different edited versions of the said model for mViera - when it's already an established issue. Animations and all that included, yeah... would be nice but it's so very unlikely. :[

I do agree though that the mViera are going to be using an edited hyur model - that was a given when looking at the females.

They'd be better off updating their CC and adding larger height scales and updating their system in hopes that it will streamline it. But hey, it's all wishful thinking at this point - we'd be lucky to get mViera as is.

[Umeikoai]

They'd be better off updating their CC and adding larger height scales and updating their system in hopes that it will streamline it.

I agree, they should update the character creation and at least add the new faces Shadowbringers added to npcs. Most people would get the most of what they want if they let us scale the bones of our character though. Like if we wanted smaller or bigger shoulders. Larger arms or larger legs. Things along those lines. Probably won't ever happen but games like Phantasy Star Online 2 were able to add a butt slider long after launch. So we don't know what Square Enix can or cannot do.

[zeylos]

Thing is they most likely won't make another body model to fit clothes on. There are 3 body models for playable males at least when you look at the game's files and 2 models for playable females. The two for females are just the Lalafell model and the Hyur model which all the female playable races who aren't Lalafell use. All the muscle tone is just a texture change in the material. It is also the same reason female Viera doesn't have special feet because they just use the Hyur body. The three body for males are the Roegadyn one which Hrothgar shares with, Lalafell which is its own thing, and Hyur which Elezen, Miqote, Au Ra, and Highlander all share with. All the game does is scale the bones of the model to make a new body. No new rigging for every single race. As for animations, since most characters share the same bones they could easily just have both male Viera use the same animation set as each other in terms of clans. You can even see some shared animations between male Midlander and Highlander despite them looking drastically different. Most they would do in the case of a male Viera is make new face models and animations but have them use the Hyur body with different bone scaling.

I think that male viera will be just like female viera, male miqote (exact same identical body) with female viera edited animations and heads that are basically scaleless aura face 1 and 3 a higlander face and a midlander face, all slightly edited, while female hrotgar will eb fem roe with mle hrotgar faces with eyelashes and perhaps different hairstyles (probs a bold option since fem lions are bold)