Ninjutsu, lackluster?

[Siete]

-20 seconds cooldown
-Can fail because of ping or accidental double-tap a Mudra
-Very low potency

I'm not that advanced into NIN, just got to 50 and been playing it as 60 in PotD but.
So far the most I do with my Ninjutsu is cast Huton then keep it up with Armor Break, and Suiton for mid-fight Trick Attack. Doton in AoE situations but mobs usually end up away from the AoE.

I don't find a reason for:
-Fuma Shuriken: 280 potency attack. Why even use it when I can use
-Raiton: 400 potency? They both trigger the same cooldown.
-Hyoton: 140 potency. What's even the point of this right here?
-Katon: 250 potency AoE. Isn't it better to use Doton?

All in all, I feel like they're all too weak for the cooldown they have, and that being able to use only ONE every 20 seconds makes it so I never use Fuma/Hyoton because Raiton is the exact same but better, or I'll never use Katon because Doton just does it better.

Are Ninjutsu really this bad or am I missing something really important?

[ReiMakoto]

Fuma Used to be good but now is just outshined by Raton, but its still used as part of TCJ
Hyoton Upgrades later into a skill to use under Kassatsu
Katon is better if stuff is about to die/move out of doton and also upgrades later

[Noitems]

It's because you're really not dealing with the full kit of Ninjutsu. at that level
Fuma is mainly used in TCJ as your first jutsu since the potency increased. In the earlier days you would use it more often since going into Raiton would be clipping a GCD.

Raiton is still used frequently so it's not outshined.

Hyoton is pretty pointless which is why at 76 they upgraded when used under Kassatsu and it's the most damaging jutsu out of the toolkit.

Katon offers the base potency, but pending on how many mobs there are it would make more sense to doton. Don't know math off hand but the server ticks for damage would take over Katon's base damage pretty overtime. Though in most pulls you generally will have two jutsus good to go after using hide so you can just doton then katon. Katon does get upgraded at 76 which does shift the balance so it's something to look forward to.

[Siete]

Fuma Used to be good but now is just outshined by Raton, but its still used as part of TCJ
Hyoton Upgrades later into a skill to use under Kassatsu
Katon is better if stuff is about to die/move out of doton and also upgrades later

Hmmmm, so we're just Rogues? All the Ninja skills are all long cooldowns or behind long cooldowns.
All I do is spam the Gust combo for 20 secs. It chains into nothing of Ninja.

[Siete]

It's because you're really not dealing with the full kit of Ninjutsu. at that level
Fuma is mainly used in TCJ as your first jutsu since the potency increased. In the earlier days you would use it more often since going into Raiton would be clipping a GCD.

Raiton is still used frequently so it's not outshined.

Hyoton is pretty pointless which is why at 76 they upgraded when used under Kassatsu and it's the most damaging jutsu out of the toolkit.

Katon offers the base potency, but pending on how many mobs there are it would make more sense to doton. Don't know math off hand but the server ticks for damage would take over Katon's base damage pretty overtime. Though in most pulls you generally will have two jutsus good to go after using hide so you can just doton then katon. Katon does get upgraded at 76 which does shift the balance so it's something to look forward to.

But TCJ is a 100 sec cooldown it feels monotonous to play as a Gust Slash spammer.

[Noitems]

But TCJ is a 100 sec cooldown it feels monotonous to play as a Gust Slash spammer.

Be glad they made it free, before it used to cost 80 ninki as well.

[Siete]

Be glad they made it free, before it used to cost 80 ninki as well.

Ohboy
But I really wonder, every other class I played felt different and brought new tools to the gameplay and the basic rotation. Except Ninja, Ninja is purely long cooldowns and then you're back to rogue for 20 seconds and you're a Ninja for 1 second every 20 seconds until you get the 60-100-120 cooldowns again.

[KageTokage]

There are some simple changes they could make to make the mudra/ninjutsu system less clunky, though some key ones would be making it so doing literally any action doesn't interrupt mudras anymore and allow you start a new mudra sequence if you get a bunny (IE, if you do Ten twice in a row, you'd get the bunny but doing a third Ten would override it and produce Fuma Shuriken instead).

[CrashofZenki]

The only thing that is NIN for the Job is Ninjutsu and the Ninki abilities. Everything else is actually kits from THF. Even our weapons and Weaponskill names are from THF. Even our Trick Attack (Actual name for this effect is Sneak Attack from previous games.) Also is a Thief ability.

[ReiMakoto]

Ohboy
But I really wonder, every other class I played felt different and brought new tools to the gameplay and the basic rotation. Except Ninja, Ninja is purely long cooldowns and then you're back to rogue for 20 seconds and you're a Ninja for 1 second every 20 seconds until you get the 60-100-120 cooldowns again.

Youre only playing with a small toolkit of ninja currently at level 50, you have access to more ninja like abilities more frequently as you level up with more frequent ninjutsu uses now that kassatsu is only a 60s cooldown, with Bhavacakra coming up fairly frequently. Also Ninjutsu every 20s maximum isn't actually that bad when you compare to like dragoon which only jumps every 30