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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    First, PLD has no Swiftcast. Unless they get a VERY heavily augmented one, like "several minute cooldown instant Raise", they would have to fullcast it every time unlike anyone else with a rez. To be honest, I think the only practical reason to give a raise to a tank would be in case a healer or the other tank dies, but that would be the worst possible time for a tank to drop everything for 8 seconds to get someone up.
    And if you're going to make an instant cooldown to support the other tank, why go for a several minute CD that puts Weakness on your tank when you could just give him some heavy mitigation or an absorb or a delayed heal instead?
    For what it's worth, PLD already got a trait that makes spells instant while in Requiescat, so in that hypothetical situation it could work as their version of Swiftcast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatstand View Post
    (It's at times like this that I really wish we had a talent system, where pally could voluntarily trade a good chunk of their dps for a raise. It wouldn't be optimal in most circumstances, but maybe if you're working with a party and everyone kept dying, it might be worth switching to just for that party. If it was an instant rez on a long cooldown, and you were going into a dungeon with a new healer, it might be worth switching to raise just for that dungeon to help prevent a wipe. Little things like that. You could design it so that the default talents were the most optimal for dps, but you could choose to trade out dps for other things, and it could just be etiquette in raids to use the default barring exceptional circumstances).
    Role actions already did this, and they were so poorly optimized/distributed that they just became universal abilities. I love the concept of choices, I do miss the talent system from WoW, but it's an illusion of choice because at the end of the day cookie cutter builds are always superior in such a way they're mandatory.
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    Last edited by Allegor; 08-30-2019 at 09:58 PM.

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    Jenny Davar
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    Kujata
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    Weaver Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Role actions already did this, and they were so poorly optimized/distributed that they just became universal abilities. I love the concept of choices, I do miss the talent system from WoW, but it's an illusion of choice because at the end of the day cookie cutter builds are always superior in such a way they're mandatory.
    Reading icy veins (which from what I know is a fairly reputable wow guide), there are several points where they recommend two different talents depending on situation/what other talents you have. Sounds to me like they got it balanced enough that there wasn’t only one acceptable build.

    Also, as I said, I’m fine with them having default talents that provide the most rdps, and thus will be considered “mandatory” in endgame content. But (as I think I said in another post) I’d also be happy with abusing people over talent choices in non endgame content being a bannable offence (similar to how abusing someone over parses is). There’s content out there where people want to have a bit of fun, and know they have what it takes to get the job done. If it’s acceptable for a healer to stand around sitting on their thumbs instead of dpsing in non-endgame content then it’s certainly acceptable for someone to choose non-optimal talents because they’ll have more fun with them.
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